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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 17:01
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WWII's V1 Revisited?

Article on Flight Global.

Why the US Air Force might use ‘deception’ and UAVs hidden in shipping containers to fight China

The US Air Force is rethinking the way it plans for war in the Pacific Ocean. It is eyeing a new class of unmanned air vehicle that could be hidden inside shipping containers and spread across small islands in the western Pacific. Should war ever come, the UAVs could be rocket launched within a matter of hours in massive volleys from dozens or even thousands of secret sites.


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ermmm - and how long will it take them to get to their destination???
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Was talking on Skype with my grandad, and got onto what it was like during the war. He said that the sound of the V1's was terrifying and no one knew where they were going to come down.

But he said once he had launched the first 50 he got a nice letter from the Fuhrer and a set of commemorative Nazi wine glasses.
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Was talking on Skype with my grandad, and got onto what it was like during the war. He said that the sound of the V1's was terrifying and no one knew where they were going to come down.

But he said once he had launched the first 50 he got a nice letter from the Fuhrer and a set of commemorative Nazi wine glasses.
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Israel has already developed missile from shipping container concept. Do people think US would be the only people doing this ?

My concern for adopting this idea and spreading things around like wildfire is that it becomes like a minefield where everybody loses track of what was where.
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Israel has already developed missile from shipping container concept. Do people think US would be the only people doing this ?

My concern for adopting this idea and spreading things around like wildfire is that it becomes like a minefield where everybody loses track of what was where.
...and, crucially, if they are still there!

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Originally Posted by superplum
...and, crucially, if they are still there!
Yup as French / Belgian farmers find out every year, up to 100 tonnes a year are still found from WW1.

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I’ve always been a subscriber to the concept of multiple, dispersed, concealed sources of trouble to ‘The Opposition’, whoever they might be.

I fully accept that C&C of such systems presents some problems,, although modern systems should be capable if overcoming that.

Fixed target sites, whether Land/Sea and indeed Air, simply present a retaliatory first-strike option.
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It's not as if missiles and drones are the only candidates.

You don't need an ICBM to deliver a nuclear device or nerve agent into an enemy's seaports. Hapag Lloyd will do that for you quite happily.
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
It's not as if missiles and drones are the only candidates.

You don't need an ICBM to deliver a nuclear device or nerve agent into an enemy's seaports. Hapag Lloyd will do that for you quite happily.
Will, may or have?
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Originally Posted by beardy
Will, may or have?
Probably all 3.
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He said that the sound of the V1's was terrifying and no one knew where they were going to come down.
I lived in Tonbridge, Kent when the first of the Doodle bugs flew overhead heading towards London. It was true we had no idea when these flying bombs were going to crash. I did witness one in level flight when its engine stopped without warning and the Doodlebug tipped over and dived into the ground. The explosion of those things was huge.

We were at school at lunch time and heard this racket which sounded very much like a motor mower with no silencer at full throttle. We saw the long flame coming from the motor. Height about 2500 ft speed about 200 knots+.

In the ensuing days more came over the Tonbridge area – you could hear them coming a long way away. As 12 year old school boys I can’t recall anyone being scared but we were certainly fascinated by the sight of these machines

I saw one being closely followed by a Hawker Tempest as it passed over Tonbridge railway marshalling yards. The Tempest fired its a guns from very close range and the Doodlebug blew up in mid-air in a huge gout of flame. A highly impressive sight as the Tempest flew through the explosion and emerged unscathed the other side.

The scary ones were the V2 rockets. The first we knew of those was a massive explosion followed a few seconds later by a rushing air noise. Naturally we never saw one but we sure saw the crater they made. We school kids would look for souvenirs and I picked up a small piece of shrapnel from a crater and took the shrapnel home. It was highly magnetic. I migrated to Australia three years later.

Years later circa 1955 I returned to England on holiday. I dropped in on the kind couple that looked after me in the same house at Deakin Leas, Tonbridge during the war years while my father was overseas in the British Army. They gave me the piece of magnetised shrapnel which they had discovered in their garage where I had left it all those years ago.

I still have it in my shed in Melbourne along with Japanese and American bullets I found on the battlefields of Guadalcanal and Tarawa while flying as a pilot with Air Nauru in the 1980’s.
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Originally Posted by MPN11
I’ve always been a subscriber to the concept of multiple, dispersed, concealed sources of trouble to ‘The Opposition’, whoever they might be.

I fully accept that C&C of such systems presents some problems,, although modern systems should be capable if overcoming that.

Fixed target sites, whether Land/Sea and indeed Air, simply present a retaliatory first-strike option.

Maintenance will be an issue I guess................... but as long as you keep moving stuff around then it makes it hard for the opposition to be SURE they can hit all the launchers at once
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Maintenance will be an issue I guess................... but as long as you keep moving stuff around then it makes it hard for the opposition to be SURE they can hit all the launchers at once
Using Lyneham Lad's proposal, the challenge would be determining WHICH of hundreds of thousands of shipping containers contain the prizes. And as many tens of thousands are regularly on the back of trailers, you add mobility to th complications. May I have an MBE, please?
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Originally Posted by MPN11
Using Lyneham Lad's the USAF planners' proposal, the challenge would be determining WHICH of hundreds of thousands of shipping containers contain the prizes. And as many tens of thousands are regularly on the back of trailers, you add mobility to th complications. May I have an MBE, please?
There - corrected for you!
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How would one ensure that one's container was at the top of the pile an not in the middle of a stack?
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There - corrected for you!
OK, thanks for highlighting it, then!!
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As long as the container is the right way round firing out the face of a vertical stack might be quite spectacular - or maybe ask Christo to take a few................



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Originally Posted by Centaurus
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Apologies for thread drift.
Sod off, it was a cracking story reliving growing up.................. enjoyed it I did
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