Typhoon AAR
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Typhoon AAR
Heard a rumour that a Typhoon landed in the Middle East with some of the AAR gear still attached to its probe. Tanker continued on its way.
Anybody know any more? Photos?
Anybody know any more? Photos?
I don’t know anything about this rumour but it was not unheard of to land with the basket still attached to your probe. There is a weak link behind the basket so that a whip developing in the hose doesn’t rip the probe off the receiver.
AAR can sometimes be problematic. In the following clip, the Italian AMX misses the first time, drops back and re-establishes the correct waiting position. On the second approach to contact, the hose suddenly jerks forward and the brake is applied. Instead of immediately putting on the red light and ordering the receiver to discontinue the approach, the refuelling operator watches helplessly as the receiver makes contact against a hard hose. This cause a whip and the drogue becomes detached:
Steel wire from the damaged hose cause serious damage to the canopy and front fuselage of the AMX; if I recall correctly cabin pressure was lost and the pilot only just made it to the abort aerodrome.
Steel wire from the damaged hose cause serious damage to the canopy and front fuselage of the AMX; if I recall correctly cabin pressure was lost and the pilot only just made it to the abort aerodrome.
Maybe the relative position of the AAR probe, Beags ?
Even back in the sixties without some of the fancy gadgets now available, with the drogue and six feet of hosed still attached to the probe, the only damage was brown trousers and a lot of paint removed from the nose cone. Not recommended.
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Do you think that your status as a taxpayer entitles you to know all the operational aspects of every type of UK military activity? I don’t think that is how it works. Don’t be nosy.
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There’s only one thing you need to know about AAR, and that is that there are only two sorts of pilots that do it.
Those that have f****d up behind a tanker and those that are in the queue.
Those that have f****d up behind a tanker and those that are in the queue.
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Compass Call. I was on Canberra B(I)8s in Germany in 1969 and then became a founder member of the RAF Buccaneer Force. We did a lot of AAR both from big tankers Victors and VC 10s and from the Buccaneer in the Buddy Buddy role - day and night. I never found it easy and the pulse rate always went up when I lined up behind the tanker. Fortunately I never had a 'spokes' (when the probe went through the spokes of the drogue) nor a drogue ending up on my probe. I once had to refuel in serious turbulence in the Inter Continental Tropical Zone between the Azores and Puerto Rico - I felt I earned my flying pay that day! I have, in the UK, seen a Buccaneer come back with an entire hose trailing behind the aircraft. It is little like riding a bike and all pilots need to build up their experience including first tour Typhoon pilots. As someone else has remarked in this thread "there but for the grace of God"!
Well I would say the other way round - I saw numerous probe bits retained in baskets and they all seemed to break at the same point! The offending item was often mounted and returned to the offending unit!
Originally Posted by Def Stan 00-970 Part 13
The probe shall be provided with a weak link so that the nozzle will break away in the event of excessive loads occurring due to instability of the hose or of failure of the nozzle and coupling to release under normal operating conditions. It shall also be provided with a non-return valve so that, in the event of such breakage, fuel spillage will not endanger the Receiver.
Other failure modes are available, as you’ve seen.
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C130K had a probe tip break off during AAR Training, left a very interesting shaped chunk out of one of the prop blades.
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