ADF Fire fighting
I do think that collectively we are coming to the point where we need some long term thinking at very high level to deal with the problems we will be facing in the coming centuries. For the centrally planned economies like China, I believe they will cope easier than the Capitalist West, that seems to begrudge any money spent or invested by the government for those climate change rainy days.
It doesn’t take a climate change scientist to realise that these type of events are only the start of the challenges we will be facing.
It doesn’t take a climate change scientist to realise that these type of events are only the start of the challenges we will be facing.
Good job they bought the "Largs Bay" - I see she's been lifting people off the beaches as HMAS Choules..................
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EDIT : Hmm - a shame - from another website: The Aero Union company, after going through bankruptcy, now consists of one person who is dealing with the remaining financial issues until the doors are closed for the last time. If any new MAFFS units are manufactured, it would likely be done by another company.
https://fireaviation.com/2013/05/11/...y-air-tankers/
EDIT : Hmm - a shame - from another website: The Aero Union company, after going through bankruptcy, now consists of one person who is dealing with the remaining financial issues until the doors are closed for the last time. If any new MAFFS units are manufactured, it would likely be done by another company.
https://fireaviation.com/2013/05/11/...y-air-tankers/
http://blueaero.com/c-130/
Exclusive manufacturer of MAFFS II RO/RO airborne firefighting system
They just went ahead with a ballsy move and will start calling up 3000 ADF reserves to help, plus getting HMAS Adelaide ready to sail.
And looking at FR24 today RAAF (or whoever they contract them from) has been flying recce over the firegrounds both yesterday and today with 2 Learjets.
Edit: Next suburb over from me just cracked it's max heat record, clocked in at 47.7C
And looking at FR24 today RAAF (or whoever they contract them from) has been flying recce over the firegrounds both yesterday and today with 2 Learjets.
Edit: Next suburb over from me just cracked it's max heat record, clocked in at 47.7C
They just went ahead with a ballsy move and will start calling up 3000 ADF reserves to help, plus getting HMAS Adelaide ready to sail.
And looking at FR24 today RAAF (or whoever they contract them from) has been flying recce over the firegrounds both yesterday and today with 2 Learjets.
And looking at FR24 today RAAF (or whoever they contract them from) has been flying recce over the firegrounds both yesterday and today with 2 Learjets.
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I do think that collectively we are coming to the point where we need some long term thinking at very high level to deal with the problems we will be facing in the coming centuries. For the centrally planned economies like China, I believe they will cope easier than the Capitalist West, that seems to begrudge any money spent or invested by the government for those climate change rainy days.
It doesn’t take a climate change scientist to realise that these type of events are only the start of the challenges we will be facing.
It doesn’t take a climate change scientist to realise that these type of events are only the start of the challenges we will be facing.
Long term thinking is something the Australian Federal Government is utterly incapable of.
Leaders take risks, try new things, chart a path.
This lot - they're nothing more than administrators.
Muppets the lot of them.
Evertonian
"Long term" in a democracy is only up to the next election.
If we're to change the whole process of Government to enable a National response, then fine, but that's not what is in place right now. This can certainly be the catalyst for change as we've never had this level of fire activity across the country at the same time. The states are set up for these emergencies. They control what they need & when they need it. VIC wanted LHD's to evacuate Mallacoota, NSW didn't want/need that type of help. If we change the command & control aspect to Nationalise it, then that's just not an overnight fix.
ScoMo has done himself no favours during this emergency, that much is certain, but he's become the social media whipping boy at the moment & the "professional" journalists are jumping on the bandwagon now.
If we're to change the whole process of Government to enable a National response, then fine, but that's not what is in place right now. This can certainly be the catalyst for change as we've never had this level of fire activity across the country at the same time. The states are set up for these emergencies. They control what they need & when they need it. VIC wanted LHD's to evacuate Mallacoota, NSW didn't want/need that type of help. If we change the command & control aspect to Nationalise it, then that's just not an overnight fix.
ScoMo has done himself no favours during this emergency, that much is certain, but he's become the social media whipping boy at the moment & the "professional" journalists are jumping on the bandwagon now.
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Some good points raised. Given the current situation there is no doubt a better, more organised setup is required in relation to having assets available and also being able to call on other assets/organisations with minimal red tape. This will be an "insurance policy" as the likelihood of a situation such as this occurring again in the near future is minimal (having said that I'll not be taking bets). But like insurance, better to be prepared than not.
"But like insurance, better to be prepared than not."
Trouble is it costs a lot of money and may not be all used every year - IF you believe that the current level of fires is going to happen every year then it's probably a decent investment - but if it's only every 10 years maybe not. In a perfect world you'd have a force that could move wherever it's needed -
Trouble is it costs a lot of money and may not be all used every year - IF you believe that the current level of fires is going to happen every year then it's probably a decent investment - but if it's only every 10 years maybe not. In a perfect world you'd have a force that could move wherever it's needed -
These guys look like they have the build rights for it according to their website
http://blueaero.com/c-130/
Exclusive manufacturer of MAFFS II RO/RO airborne firefighting system
http://blueaero.com/c-130/
Exclusive manufacturer of MAFFS II RO/RO airborne firefighting system
Military Operations, Military Exercises, Crew training, Crew currency, other roles in HADR (moving stuff around)... The ADF primary role is not HADR, and there are other assets available.
Yep its a bit easier for USAF to keep crews and aircraft ready. They have what 400 + models in ANG/usaf while australia has what 12 or so.
And theres a good chance we may not even have enough aircraft for “primary roles” as of today...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sto...2003/?cs=14225
MH90 landing light started the fire currently threatening Southern Canberra suburbs.
The helicopter sustained some damage.
The report says the ADF had been preparing possible landing sites for future firefighting use. The ADF had been doing this for at least the last 4 days, presumably operating out of Fairbairn.
Saw several flying on the weekend which I had (wrongly) attributed to Australia Day activities.
Every day’s a school day ...
MH90 landing light started the fire currently threatening Southern Canberra suburbs.
The helicopter sustained some damage.
The report says the ADF had been preparing possible landing sites for future firefighting use. The ADF had been doing this for at least the last 4 days, presumably operating out of Fairbairn.
Saw several flying on the weekend which I had (wrongly) attributed to Australia Day activities.
Every day’s a school day ...
