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Defence under a Corbyn Government

Old 13th Sep 2019, 11:16
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post

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There is a very strong argument that MSV capitalism has not worked and that we are now suffering the consequences of that in all sorts of areas of economy and society; so in that sense his comments are valid. The financial crisis was one aspect of that and the desire ‘not to waste the opportunity’ is pretty universal.

I too fear that the ‘old’ Marxist solution is for a different era and we know (like we know vaccines work but some chose to look the other way) that Top- Down control of business does not work but regulatory reform can and does. I am thrilled to see the recent denouncement by CEOs of major US corporations of the MSV principle and the rise in ‘B’corp structures - which are a leap hugely popular with the younger workforce’s and entrepreneurs.

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 11:53
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Just who does John McDonnell think he is, a disaster capitalist?

And what is a Marxist Training Camp beyond boys own fiction?
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 13:18
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Marxist training camp? that'll be half of the House of Commons then

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 22:19
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A strong argument that capitalism has not worked....? Assuming you are serious, please name somewhere that Marxism has NOT resulted in dismal poverty for all but a tiny elite enforced by appalling human rights abuses...Corbyn himself lavishes praise on Cuba and Venezuela for instance.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 01:25
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Originally Posted by mahogany bob View Post
I ,like many thousands of others, spent most of our lives defending our hard won democracy against a threat which at the time was very real.
And then a PM decides Parliment isn't that important as it refuses to allow him do what he wants. So much for Democracy.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 04:26
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You can't be serious!

Loss of democracy to me means NO meaningful vote , murder,torture and people 'disappearing' in the night !
Have you NO sense of proportion?

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2 questions

1. Name any country with a hard left/ marxist government which has the equivalent of a 'speakers corner ' where you can openly 'slag off' your leaders without fear of arrest?

2. Have you read Animal Farm - if so what do you disagree with?
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 09:55
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To be fair Bob the same thing happened/happens under right wing governments - Chile, Argentina, Brazil, ....................... and even Singapore can be a bit sticky..................
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 11:07
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Originally Posted by mahogany bob View Post
racedo
You can't be serious!

Loss of democracy to me means NO meaningful vote , murder,torture and people 'disappearing' in the night !
Have you NO sense of proportion?
Oh you mean like Northern Ireland used to be like.

As British as Kent, Paisley used to proclaim.
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 12:38
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He's right - there are some seriously dangerous people living in Kent..............
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 13:18
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Since you mentioned recent events in parliament, racedo maybe you could name any Marxist state where such dissent would not have resulted in the imprisonment or execution of all concerned?
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 17:52
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Since you mentioned recent events in parliament, racedo maybe you could name any Marxist state where such dissent would not have resulted in the imprisonment or execution of all concerned?
There was extensive imprisonment as well as extrajudicial execution in Northern Ireland, so does that make Britain a Marxist state?
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Old 14th Sep 2019, 21:46
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No, I think you will find it’s the IRA which has Marxist ideology, enforced by murder, torture and intimidation. Lauded and hosted by Corbyn as they did so.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 01:10
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Last sentence in the video,”based on need and democratically controlled “. Hard core Marxist 😂. Guess we need more trickle down economics?
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 07:15
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Karl Marx must be the biggest con-man ever!
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 10:58
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No - he was a quite clever Economist (and a turgid writer) - it's the politicians who grab and pervert the ideas

Quite how a Labour Govt would play out under Corbyn is uncertain - but given the shambles visited on the UK by the opposition I think you may find out .
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 15:27
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Oh Dear,

Not a very lovely boy then:
JEREMY CORBYN could pass classified American intelligence on to Russia and Iran according to a report backed by former advisors to US President Donald Trump. The situation is so grave the Americans have been discussing reducing Britain's status in NATO.
This is an inevitable outcome.

Corbyn v NATO

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Old 15th Sep 2019, 15:49
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"a report backed by former advisors to US President Donald Trump."

Well it was in the Sunday Telegraph so let's say possibly a bit biased?

But TBH I suspect that most of the UK electorate wouldn't know NATO from a hole in the ground and care even less. For many people snuggling closer to the US is NOT something very they're happy with given the current incumbent anyway
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 16:13
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
No - he was a quite clever Economist (and a turgid writer) - it's the politicians who grab and pervert the ideas

Quite how a Labour Govt would play out under Corbyn is uncertain - but given the shambles visited on the UK by the opposition I think you may find out .
That is the heart of the problem imho.
The Bible says: 'By their fruits you shall know them' and the fruits of the existing structure appear very unappealing to many or perhaps most people in Britain. That is the engine that drives Corbyn, just as its counterpart drove Trump in the US.
If Corbyn achieves power, any military opposition would have no legal basis, even if he institutes Marxian studies in the services.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 21:24
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Corbyn strikes me as the worst kind of gutless coward. I cannot imagine any use of arms he would be willing to sanction.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 22:14
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Originally Posted by Fonsini View Post
Corbyn strikes me as the worst kind of gutless coward. I cannot imagine any use of arms he would be willing to sanction.
A big knife for application between unsuspecting shoulder blades, perhaps?
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