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Old 5th Sep 2019, 11:45
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Equally strange that we refer to the new ac as the F35 rather more than Lightning (or Lightning II) yet the Typhoon is the Typhoon, almost never the FGR4.
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The II has indeed been dropped by the UK


IIRC it was some time after the Typhoon entered service that it received its FGR4 designation, so maybe the Lightning's will come later also.
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Slight thread creep....
that F35 , can our version do fully conventional landings or does it always have a bit of lift fan and vectored thrust.

Just wondering as it doesn’t have much wing so the app speeds maybe high ?
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Always thought it a great pity they didn't name it after one of those interwar RAF aircraft...

The Grebe ... or the Welkin... or even the Knuckleduster....................
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Originally Posted by Meester proach
that F35 , can our version do fully conventional landings or does it always have a bit of lift fan and vectored thrust.

Just wondering as it doesn’t have much wing so the app speeds maybe high ?
Yes, the RAF/RN's F-35Bs land conventionally, as well as SRVLs and VLs. It has the same basic wing as the F-35A, but with the additional plumbing for the roll post ducts/nozzles...

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Originally Posted by just another jocky
Equally strange that we refer to the new ac as the F35 rather more than Lightning (or Lightning II) yet the Typhoon is the Typhoon, almost never the FGR4.
Yes, but F-35 is an aircraft, while FGR4 is just a mark number. If somebody mentioned 'GR1s in RAF Germany', you wouldn't know if that was Harriers, Jags or Tornado mud-movers. I don't think it's ever been common to use the mark number other than to distinguish between versions of the same aircraft, except for the two different flavours of Tornado, and even then it only really worked after the MLU as we didn't have anything else with GR4 or F3 after its name.

I reckon if we did give the JSF a proper designation it would have a much better chance of being called Lightning, but since we seem to be using the American name that's what's stuck.

Consistency seems to have gone out of the window recently. Hercules, Phantom, Sentry and Poseidon get British military designations, but not Globemaster or Lightning. Not sure about Rivet Joint or Reaper!
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Always thought it was a bit silly having the same aircraft with different names in service with allies TBH................... tho the US has to some extent accepted "Dakota" and "Catalina"

The Canadians are wore tho - they change the name of EVERYTHING they buy
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I remember being in a debrief at a CQWI when a certain Sqn commander announced that as a result of his teams’ efforts that very day...some of which had been CQWI related, that the Typhoon would henceforth be the FGR4...the news was delivered very much in the way one might announce the end to world hunger. I think everyone in the hangar thought something along the lines of: ‘Oh’ or possibly ‘Does anyone have the ‘Irrelevant Button’ to hand?’

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The Canadians are wore tho - they change the name of EVERYTHING they buy
I always thought it strange that the Canadians chose the name Cormorant for the helicopter we call the Merlin. A bird which seems to spend as much time below the surface of the water as flying above it seemed pretty inapt.

Still, could have been worse - they might have called it the Shag!
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"The Common Cormorant, or Shag, lays eggs inside a paper bag".. You can look up the rest.
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I thought the program was very well done, especially the segments that conveyed the stress and pressure that the students were exposed to during training. As a Yank Air Force heavy driver I was also curious about why some of those students took 8-9 years to get to that point in their training. Are they counting 4 years of University? I entered the USAF in November 1985 and was awarded my pilot wings in March of 1987. If I had tracked fighters, it would have been about another year of various training until I hit an operational squadron, but 8 or 9 years seems excessive. Congrats to the two guys who got their F-35 and I would have given my first born to fly a jet like the Typhoon, so Danners should feel quite lucky.
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Hello Chieftp. Have a look at the thread “UK MFTS on or off the rails”. Basically, all has not been well with the UK flying training system resulting in some outrageous delays between courses.
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav
I always thought it strange that the Canadians chose the name Cormorant for the helicopter we call the Merlin. A bird which seems to spend as much time below the surface of the water as flying above it seemed pretty inapt.
I seem to remember 'Cormorant' was the name given to their new expanding array dipping sonar for the aircraft. RN trialled it in early 80s in Sea King, intending it for Merlin. Might explain the underwater bit!

Which is nowt compared to the annual bunfight between MoD(PE)'s Air System and Sea Systems. The former managed the sonar winch; the latter the winch cable, as it got wet. Until the fraud case and triple billing......
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Originally Posted by orca
I remember being in a debrief at a CQWI when a certain Sqn commander announced that as a result of his teams’ efforts that very day...some of which had been CQWI related, that the Typhoon would henceforth be the FGR4...the news was delivered very much in the way one might announce the end to world hunger. I think everyone in the hangar thought something along the lines of: ‘Oh’ or possibly ‘Does anyone have the ‘Irrelevant Button’ to hand?’
That was right up there with the time when a VSO stood in front of the entire assembled CQWI Mass Debrief, and proceeded to go bat **** crazy on the Harrier Force. He seemed a little miffed that the Harrier mates weren't 'conceptually' prepared to crash their jets into 'technicals' containing High Value Individuals in Afghan. IIRC, the words were something along the lines 'The F3 mates are prepared to crash their jets into an Airliner on QRA, so why do the Harrier mates think they are any better?'.

I do seem to recall the F3 mates looking furtively at each other, obviously thinking 'WTF did we sign up to that........?'
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:24
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Originally Posted by Underbolt

Consistency seems to have gone out of the window recently. Hercules, Phantom, Sentry and Poseidon get British military designations, but not Globemaster or Lightning. Not sure about Rivet Joint or Reaper!
Agree about the lack of consistency. The RC-135W RIVET JOINT (US desig) seems to be called AIRSEEKER (UK project definition) on the RAF website. Not sure what the crews call it...

General Atomics call the Predator B the MQ-9 REAPER, whch is both the US and UK desig.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 09:29
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lb, 3 were tested at B-D and rejected,returned to USA...no turbochargers fitted....
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Evaluated, ordered, then cancelled. A couple were delivered to the UK, but were ultimately transferred to the USAAF.
Slight diversion into history! The original Lightning I was rejected at least a year before any of them reached the UK, by an un-named RAF pilot in the US. The reasons are murky, it's given as 'not up to performance' but the suspicion at Lokheed was that (a) the UK didn't need it post BoB and (b) we had run out of money and couldn't afford to pay for them.We knew the supercharger- equipped mk II was coming soon, so the performance thing does sound like a red herring. Potential legal action was stopped when the USAAF took over the contract.

However the P-38 did see active service with the RAF - a P-38J was loaned from the USAAF and used in the master bomber role, later being updated to 'Droop Snoot' two seat configuration.

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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:08
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Most early US fighters lacked things such as self-sealing tanks, cockpit armour etc etc plus they were very MG oriented just as the RAF were looking at cannons IIRC
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Originally Posted by Typhoondriver
... a VSO stood in front of the entire assembled CQWI Mass Debrief ..... a little miffed that the Harrier mates weren't 'conceptually' prepared to crash their jets into 'technicals' containing High Value Individuals in Afghan.
Wouldn't be an ex-Tornado sqn cdr and then Marham stn cdr per chance?
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 16:30
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No, that masterpiece was delivered by a Harrier man through and through - Sqn and Station CO.
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Although it was the person you describe who led the witch hunt at High Wycombe when the news first appeared on Pprune!!
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