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Disappointing F35 display at RIAT

Old 21st Jul 2019, 17:28
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Disappointing F35 display at RIAT

Very disappointed at the display given by the F35 from Marham yesterday at RIAT. It arrived, flew by fast, flew by with the weapons bay doors open then flew by with the lift engine going then flew off.

Come on guys, you have a whizzy supposedly fantastical jet I'm sure it could have done better than that. Or is it so delicate and prone to breaking that this display was all the powers that be felt it prudent to do? If that's so, I am extremely worried!

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 17:37
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Maybe, with a limited number of jets and an operational deployment within their first year of being in the UK, theyíve had more important things to do than commit to a full display work up for one of their few qualified pilots?

The RAF does not let itsí pilots fly full displays in front of thousands of people without a comprehensive training programme.

In the post Shoreham world, what you saw would have been the maximum permissible level of performance within the current constraints. Maybe just be thankful it was able to make an appearance at all?

Maybe wait for next year. Or the year after.

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 17:51
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Not my screen shot, but this was posted on Twitter:

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Have not been for several years as displays had been dumbed down. However did enjoy the single Lancaster over White Water Centre Lea Valley at 3.pm on its way home today. More impressive
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 19:29
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I must agree with you, I think it was pretty good that there was an F35 at Fairford at all! They have more important things at the moment, I suspect. I also know from experience (yes, long ago!) that it takes a while to work up and produce a credible display, and I am sure that, in this day and age, that is probably something that needs possibly more finance/airframe and pilot time than is available at this stage. Maybe next year!!

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Old 21st Jul 2019, 19:42
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OK, all is forgiven. Eagerly await next year.
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Suppose the tax payer got to have a glimpse on where their hard earned cash is going....
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Suppose the tax payer got to have a glimpse on where their hard earned cash is going....
My tax money pays for the NHS too, doesn't mean I have the desire, or right, to see what they do with it.
Give them a break...
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 23:03
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f35 operations require simulator certification.

Actually I made that bit up. (Hey if it's ok for LM...)

However, are there any F35 simulators that meet the "simulate full mission" requirements?

More to the point, can they coordinate multinational formation flying "in theatre " for pr photography but not a singleton at the UKs most prestigious public event; perhaps all the tankers were on task..

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How long shall we wait to see a P8 Demo?
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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 04:47
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My tax money pays for the NHS too, doesn't mean I have the desire, or right, to see what they do with it.
Give them a break...
I would suggest you do or will or shall have friends or family at some stage who visit a NHS facility. Surprised you don't have a view. Most people do!
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I really don't believe that the F-35 program is so packed with items that they couldn't spare one to give a half decent display - it is after all the tax payers who own the things.

And then people ask "why doesn't the public support defence" - probably because they never see it ................
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Did it fly backwards?
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Iím afraid that is an incredibly naive and ill informed post.

Firstly, should we let the taxpayers decide what we do with all of our assets? We all pay for them but we ask our government to defend our nation and interests. We donít get a say in how that is done.

Secondly, please enlighten us as to what a full display team involves. Is it just one guy pulling the wings of a jet for a few weekends?

It is a drain on resources that a small fleet does not need.

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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
I really don't believe that the F-35 program is so packed with items that they couldn't spare one to give a half decent display - it is after all the tax payers who own the things.

And then people ask "why doesn't the public support defence" - probably because they never see it ................

They never see it because its equipment and its people are currently employed full time in the fight against ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Just one job amongst others, too many to mention, that keep defence busy around the globe.

When people people are at home they need a break.

More displays=More Kit=More People=More Money that we just don't have. Direct your disappointment at the defence budget, not the people at the coal face getting the job done.

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Or direct not so much at defence budget but poor project management, over running programmes, lack of continuity on a job, poor procurement choices, the list of tax payer money waste is mouth watering and don't get started on external assistance!
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Originally Posted by nivsy View Post
I would suggest you do or will or shall have friends or family at some stage who visit a NHS facility. Surprised you don't have a view. Most people do!
You really miss the point. I have had cause to visit the NHS a lot recently, however I don'think NHS money should be wasted giving public displays - likewise the MOD... Try actually reading my post...?!

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They never see it because its equipment and its people are currently employed full time in the fight against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. When people people are at home they need a break.
And that there opens up another question, if indeed the fleets of everything are so tied up fighting a couple of "minor" wars, that they cannot attend airshows to show the British public where their hard earned cash is going, what happens when we have a full blown one on our own doorstep, if you have no spare capacity in your fleets for those theoretical eventualities, you are fooked, it also begs the question are the UK defences so depleted while these "minor" wars are on going that they are stretched and incapable of putting up an effective defence?....

Incidentally the NHS do roadshows etc
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Nutty

As an ex military man you must actually know the answer.

In a war of national survival the rules covering harmony and the principle of force elements Ďat restí would go out the window.

You donít have to go out of your way to see doom and gloom all the time.

This thread merely concerns F35 numbers and availability.

You will note that Typhoon DOES have a display team.

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Old 22nd Jul 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Nige321 View Post
You really miss the point. I have had cause to visit the NHS a lot recently, however I don'think NHS money should be wasted giving public displays - likewise the MOD... Try actually reading my post...?!
Perhaps you are missing the point in that generally the tax payers see quite regularly what the health service offers. More rarely what the MOD provides and in this case the RAF. On your approach I assume that you wish for the Red Arrows to be disbanded tomorrow and not continue with their expedition to the states for the next couple of.months.....at tax payer expense.
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