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Cap badge identification request.

Old 24th Jun 2019, 21:46
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Cap badge identification request.

Hello Chaps.

I wondered if anyone could shed some light on this cap and it's badge. Found in my recently deceased Great Uncle John's attic. He was a Merchant Sailor in his time as well as many other things later on...and was much loved by all. Indeed, at his funeral there were men from all over the World.
I found this cap, a few weeks later, in a sea chest, amongst his belongings that we had to sort through.
Apart from that; little is known...

Here is the pic...
Grateful thanks in advance for any information.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 21:49
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And another of the interior...

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Old 24th Jun 2019, 21:50
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I'd say a captain in the British Merchant Navy.
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:37
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I agree with Blossy looks like British Merchant Navy

FWIW
Miller Rayner list a similar cap badge on their site here:
Cap Badge - Miller Rayner Limited#

and a cap with very similar laurel leaf peak decoration here:
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Old 24th Jun 2019, 22:44
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I'd go along with that. Been looking at the modern manufactured ones which are rubbish compared with that one, rather like the current issued RAF officers' SD caps
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I recall a Shipping Company called The Anchor Line
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 06:28
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You might trace him, and hence the companies in which he was a ships officer, from this site:-

Officers in the Merchant Navy - The National Archives
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 08:10
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Thanks to one and all for all the info. British Merchant Navy Officer fits with what we know of Uncle John.
It is a beautifully made cap.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 09:04
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The full crown draped over the ears reminds me of my Bates cap that I bought at South Cerney in 1960. The wimps at MOD banned them a decade later.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 09:19
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click for more images

https://www.sallybosleysbadgeshop.com/shop.php?c=91
WW2 Merchant Navy gold bullion cap badge with band
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If only it could talk...
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
The full crown draped over the ears reminds me of my Bates cap that I bought at South Cerney in 1960. The wimps at MOD banned them a decade later.
When I joined up in 1983, Snaiths at RAFC were selling Bates' hats. And I bought a brand new Bates for my wedding in 1991, and I still wear it to this day for No 1 events. I particularly liked the way it folded down at the sides towards my ears!
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 11:27
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Thats a Masters cap with a standard MN badge.Company badges had House Flags as the centre piece.The most ornate one I ever had was a Trinity House cap badge.
The first one I ever had was a NZSCo.badge which had crossed NZSCo/Federal line flags as a centre piece.I joined as an Apprentice in 1959.
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Old 25th Jun 2019, 23:44
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I occasionally had shipping line cap badges through my hands when I was dealing. Very hard to get hold of and always made good money. The standard MN badge was quite common, as you might imagine. I have about 80 odd different shipping line buttons - most representing lines which have long gone. Almost all of excellent quality, and normally gilded to resist salt water corrosion. Incidentally KING6024 I have both Trinity House and NZSCco buttons
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The only badge I now have is a British&Irish Steam Packet Co.badge,otherwise known as the B+I Line.Its a little weathered.My last long term seafaring job before working ashore.I've still got a Bridge Coat and uniform somewhere so must have the buttons.

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Old 26th Jun 2019, 11:45
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I may have a "Shipping Company Cap Badge" in that it was that of Dan-Air. The airline was started by the shipping company Davies and Newman formed in 1922, being a member of the Baltic Exchange. Whereas the airline logo was the "Compass Rose" one (with or without the cardinal points labelled NEWS) and a red and white striped fish tailed pennant behind, flight deck cap badges had the pennant alone. It is neither the D or N signal flags, so I've never known its significance. Anyone?
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Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by Fatjoff View Post
When I joined up in 1983, Snaiths at RAFC were selling Bates' hats. And I bought a brand new Bates for my wedding in 1991, and I still wear it to this day for No 1 events. I particularly liked the way it folded down at the sides towards my ears!
some [email protected]@rd stole my Bates hat at Lyneham in 1996. I managed to get a decent hat a year or two later (Gieves) but never wore the issue monstrosity- they are truly awful.
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Originally Posted by Tankertrashnav View Post
I occasionally had shipping line cap badges through my hands when I was dealing. Very hard to get hold of and always made good money. The standard MN badge was quite common, as you might imagine. I have about 80 odd different shipping line buttons - most representing lines which have long gone. Almost all of excellent quality, and normally gilded to resist salt water corrosion. Incidentally KING6024 I have both Trinity House and NZSCco buttons
I have a NZSCo silver pickle fork - years ago as a student I was doing practical engineering hours and worked on a dredger in Waitemata Harbour - and it was amazing the amount of crockery and cutlery that had been dumped or lost over the side. I had one or two other random items - including a heavy-duty RN mug, but lost in one of my many, many moves.
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Old 27th Jun 2019, 12:50
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Guilty of thread drift...but linked to the threat of losing a much loved SD hat. I have often wondered what will happen when our dear Queen passes on the monarch’s title to her son or grandson. Will those of us still serving be required to replace our SD badges (and wings) for those with a king’s crown? Or does one retain the badge awarded at commissioning / wings graduation? I guess the precedence was set in 1952, but I have not seen it documented. Anybody know the answer?

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Old 27th Jun 2019, 17:32
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I think king's crown badges and buttons were still in common use well into the 1950s, and were only replaced as and when necessary. At Gaydon in 1969 (2ANS) the station commander still wore his WW2 Observer's brevet.*

* Yes ok, flying badge for the purist!
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