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Interesting KC-46 approach at Paris

Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:10
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Not sure how you judge half a mile from the taxiway but it looks ok to me! No heavy braking and a controlled rollout! Still do not understand why everyone is giving them such a hard time! Nothing damaged apart from his pride.....! Now retired to my bunker with a cup of tea to watch low flying aircraft on YouTube! Far more entertaining!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:20
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Originally Posted by newt View Post
Not sure how you judge half a mile from the taxiway
Well, why not have a look at a map, airport chart, or even Google Map ?
Please note I wrote "down the runway", not "from the taxiway", which is located... why not find by yourself^^?

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No heavy braking and a controlled rollout!
I'm afraid I can't concur.
Look again, the guy is using coarse rudder inputs to try an stay on course, and brakes so hard he locks his left main wheels (see the smoke ?) in the roll out.

The only mistake he didn't make is punch the front gear into the fuselage, a la B757^^!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:04
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Quote:I’ve seen lots of medium/large RAF aircraft do similar without a need to go around.
Really, Roly old mate? Not in your VC10K time, I trust.... Landing half way down the runway, well off the centreline, after a lousy approach.
Really, I watched a VC10 air display practice where they missed the centreline and heaved the thing round to try and get it back on the display line, It was the first and only time I saw shockwaves forming over the wing roots, the pilot overstressed the aircraft and the meter was reset before we got to the aircraft, no one on the crew would tell us exactly what they had pulled and wanted it hushing up, needless to say the sh*t hit the fan when the aircraft state went in to group that night and the aircraft was listed as grounded for overstress checks as without figures to go by we had to assume the worst scenario..

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:50
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Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard View Post


Thatís the standard we aspire to?


That is the standard all the arm chair critics might consider.

The Aircraft landed without damage of any kind,, stayed on the runway, and was fit for mission at the end of the day.

Willy wrote a play about this....."Much Todo About Nothing"!

By the way....did the RAF send a large aircraft to the Show?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:59
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post

By the way....did the RAF send a large aircraft to the Show?
If they did it was well hidden
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:47
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They didn't send much to Cosford either, if it wasn't for the museum and the school dragging out the old favourites and the foreign / civilian display aircraft it would have been over in an hour, a Typhoon, a Tucano, a Chinook, the Dead Sparrows and several Grobs were it.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
If you look closely at this picture, you'll be able to see where the touchdown actually occurred.
From the taxiway behind the plane, you can see this is more than half a mile down the runway, and clearly way off the runway centerline (the white marks).
In "civil" aviation and most Western Air Forces, this is considered a poorly misjudged approach and landing, and should have required a timely "go around".

I am here this week so heres my photos of 22nd's latest toy on static

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:16
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Thanks for the pictures.
Pity that in France you are fenced off the airplanes, contrary to the US.
Any chances of chatting with the crew ?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:25
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No crash trucks called out....no maintenance crews flown in...no unusual ground support equipment required....no tarps covering up any part of the aircraft......what is the big deal here folks?
By luck or by judgement?
How many precursors to a hard landing and/or a runway excursion were present?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 19:12
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Maybe all you critics should send your complaints to the CO of the 344th ARS.....maybe that was the CO....

....and yes I have big aircraft time also and don't see this as one of the top ten major military aviation concerns right now. Most of the complainers here seem somewhat like the types I'm familiar with who are reluctant to, even uncomfortable with disconnecting the auto-pilot.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 23:10
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Well said OK465! The autopilot brigade have a lot to learn about aircraft handling! I have large aircraft experience and fighter experience! I’m sure military training is the best! Handling is paramount! That’s what makes the difference between an average pilot and a real pilot!
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 07:14
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newt , old bean, notwithstanding the training the military was once able to provide and the fact that many airlines now frown on their 'children of the magenta' from flying manually, never forget the wise words of Frank Borman:

A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill.
By which definition, whoever made that abysmal approach and landing at Paris was clearly NOT a superior pilot.

Back when you were hooliganing about in your Lightning , novice BOAC VC10 pilots had to fly something like 40 landings during type training, with a lot of manual flying. Whereas today, the beancounters deem manual flying generally superfluous, to the extent that many an airline copilot would find something as simple (to you and me) as a visual circuit extremely challenging.

But whose fault is that?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:26
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I agree Beags! People used to get very nervous when I hand flew the 747! I’ve even seen them try to do a downwind ILS rather than an into wind visual! Just a shame that flying is becoming such a fluffy, computer controlled occupation! Glad to be retired and doing the garden every day!
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 09:42
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What's all the fuss about? Nice tight circuit, airshow intentional. Blimey!
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 18:39
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In about 1974, from the vantage of the Hong Kong Flying Club, opposite the 13 threshold, we could observe those that had over/under cooked the turn at the checker board. My prize for persistence went to an Air India 707 who did get it down eventually and managed to stop in a cloud of burning tyre smoke just short of 31 threshold. In comparison, the KC approach and landing was sedate!
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 12:50
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
I heard they were looking for Blackbushe!

CG
Try the Rue St-Denis.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:39
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Thanks for the pictures.
Pity that in France you are fenced off the airplanes, contrary to the US.
Any chances of chatting with the crew ?
i was talking to the crew....this week and most a/c on show at Le Bourget you could walk and sit in depending if you were guest of the OEMS. Don’t forget the OEMS control who visits or not their chalet and aircraft. Boeing was not allowing any folk on anything bar the 737 and Ch-47F (permission and guide from the AiA , DoD public affairs and it moved on the Wednesday from DoD / AIA static to Boeing static) . The KC-46 was off limits probably more from Boeing as it was parked at Boeing chalet.

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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt View Post
Thanks for the pictures.
Pity that in France you are fenced off the airplanes, contrary to the US.
Any chances of chatting with the crew ?
Also I find likes of RIAt and airshows in U.K. are more restrictive than USA or Europe for access. But in all honesty, one could moan about the way we do airshows compared to the rest of the world.

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Old 24th Jun 2019, 02:43
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Good looking aircraft
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post


i was talking to the crew....this week and most a/c on show at Le Bourget you could walk and sit in depending if you were guest of the OEMS. Donít forget the OEMS control who visits or not their chalet and aircraft. Boeing was not allowing any folk on anything bar the 737 and Ch-47F (permission and guide from the AiA , DoD public affairs and it moved on the Wednesday from DoD / AIA static to Boeing static) . The KC-46 was off limits probably more from Boeing as it was parked at Boeing chalet.

Cheers
Not sure why they wouldn't allow close up inspection of the outside, but you can blame the USAF for not being allowed on-board. Just to get on board to doing required pre-flight and certification testing, I had to take a course and then sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). Not sure what I might have seen while on-board that would be potentially damaging if I disclosed it to the wrong person, but it was a USAF requirement.
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