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Chernobyl. 9pm sky Atlantic

Old 7th May 2019, 18:49
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Chernobyl. 9pm sky Atlantic

Heads up, new series first of five..

Very very good, watching it now, talk about buying their heads in the sand, what a shambles.
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Old 7th May 2019, 21:34
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If the dramatisation of the actions in the immediate aftermath is accurate, then it certainly is a shambles. I see no reason to question the script, as the delay in ordering the evacuation of Pripyat is truly damning.
They simply had no plans for such a catastrophe and the Soviet system did its usual blinkered management of their version of truth.

In fairness, I'm not convinced we would do much better if such an extreme event were to happen.
We came close.... Calder Hall.
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Originally Posted by AnglianAV8R View Post
If the dramatisation of the actions in the immediate aftermath is accurate, then it certainly is a shambles. I see no reason to question the script, as the delay in ordering the evacuation of Pripyat is truly damning.
They simply had no plans for such a catastrophe and the Soviet system did its usual blinkered management of their version of truth.

In fairness, I'm not convinced we would do much better if such an extreme event were to happen.
We came close.... Calder Hall.
Thought the fire was at Windscale/Sellafield?
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Sacrifice by Cap Parlier

Sacrifice

This worth a read by the the former USMC AH-1J pilot and Vietnam vet (also exchange officer to Fusiliers in HK before being shipped to Vietnam), and McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Test Pilot. From Le Bourget 89 to Helitech 89 ..the author befriended his counterparts in Mil and ended up being asked if he could help out one of the dying Mi26 Test Pilots who flew over the reactor , dropping concrete.

The author also worked for Raytheon and was briefly at then BAe Hatfield in mid 90s taking the 125 production to Wichita. He also has come up to IwM in 2000s to fly in Carolyn Grace’s Spitfire.

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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post
Sacrifice

This worth a read by the the former USMC AH-1J pilot and Vietnam vet (also exchange officer to Fusiliers in HK before being shipped to Vietnam), and McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Test Pilot. From Le Bourget 89 to Helitech 89 ..the author befriended his counterparts in Mil and ended up being asked if he could help out one of the dying Mi26 Test Pilots who flew over the reactor , dropping concrete.

The author also worked for Raytheon and was briefly at then BAe Hatfield in mid 90s taking the 125 production to Wichita. He also has come up to IwM in 2000s to fly in Carolyn Grace’s Spitfire.

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There was a good reconstruction on YouTube a while back...looked pretty realistic.
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A good programme indeed it was!

(Although on my rather ancient SD/RGB Sky system I thought that the picture quality and dialogue track weren't up to par).
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Originally Posted by Harley Quinn View Post
Thought the fire was at Windscale/Sellafield?
You're right. Calder Hall was the Magnox facility at Windscale that followed the original reactors.

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This film with period footage is a bit of an eye opener


An another really good drama with a n excellent performance by Ade Edundson (of Bottom fame)

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I clearly recall the time. I was at Fod Free Finn on my final tour before leaving the RAF. It dominated the Mess tv rooms for ages. It was grim, as I recall. Ten or twelve years later I was a primary head, and a charity asked wherther we could host 5 or 6 Russian children during the school day for a couple of weeks. They were shipping the kids over for cleaner air, and some decent feeding up, and frankly, for a bit of cheer. Of course I said yes. Bonus- I had a Slovakian parent who could speak a bit of Russian. Good old Mrs Dutko! (Gave her a job later.) We did it for a few years as I recall.

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PS: several heads said no. Tw*ts come in all jobs.
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It is very tempting to watch this and just point the finger at good ol communism. Problem is power (in the form of people) is always infinitely corruptible...in communism through party prestige and influence, in capitalism through filthy lucre. Were it not for little luck, and the moral courage and integrity of Sir John Cockcroft, Windscale (Sellafield) could have ended up as bad...with the same sort of consequences for Northern England. And there was no shortage of misinformation peddling by the Government of the day to boot. You might ponder why the name has been changed as well.

You can draw your own conclusions as to how we might wish to build and regulate nuclear power stations in the future, as we seem hell bent on going down that route.

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Oh yeah...and much of this "abuse of power/privilege" type behavior is present in Fukishima as well.

Most of this is easily found online in the form of official reports with little effort.
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Old 9th May 2019, 14:09
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What struck me in the first episode was the denial that anything bad had happened even when people were telling the senior person in the control room what they had seen and right up until he was puking up he was still in denial even though he had seen parts of the reactor spread out below the window.
I suppose the shock of it all would do that to an extent, but it sent people to their deaths.
The other was the plant manager in the fall out bunker who also was trying to pass the buck and then sending the guy who was telling him how it actually was up onto the roof to look down on the open burning reactor, I think that would have been a case of after you mate. That and the lack of basics like medicines, protective gear and geiger counters.

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Myself as well! (Got Sacrifice on my Kindle)
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then sending the guy who was telling him how it actually was up onto the roof to look down on the open burning reactor
Unthinkable isn't it...and yet...

Tuohy then ordered everyone out of the reactor building except himself and the Fire Chief in order to shut off all cooling and ventilating air entering the reactor. Tuohy then climbed up several times and reported watching the flames leaping from the discharge face slowly dying away. During one of the inspections, he found that the inspection plates—which were removed with a metal hook to facilitate viewing of the discharge face of the core—were stuck fast. This, he reported, was due to the fire trying to suck air in from wherever it could.

"I have no doubt it was even sucking air in through the chimney at this point to try and maintain itself," he remarked in an interview.

Finally he managed to pull the inspection plate away and was greeted with the sight of the fire dying away.

"First the flames went, then the flames reduced and the glow began to die down," he described, "I went up to check several times until I was satisfied that the fire was out. I did stand to one side, sort of hopefully," he went on to say, "but if you're staring straight at the core of a shut down reactor you're going to get quite a bit of radiation." (Tuohy lived to the age of 90, despite his exposure.)


Tuohy died on 12 March 2008, having never received any kind of public recognition for his decisive actions.[49] The Board of Inquiry's report concluded officially that the fire had been caused by "an error of judgment" by the same people who then risked their lives to contain the blaze. It was later suggested by the grandson of Harold Macmillan, Prime Minister at the time of the fire, that the US Congress might have vetoed plans of Macmillan and US president Dwight Eisenhower for joint nuclear weapons development if they had known that it was due to reckless decisions by the UK government, and that Macmillan had covered up what really happened. Tuohy said of the officials who told the US that his staff had caused the fire that "they were a shower of bastards".[61]

Like I said, brave men and corrupt, cowardly officials exist in all societies.


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Coincidentally, I’ve just finished reading Serhii Plokhy’s ‘Chernobyl - History of a Tragedy’. A fascinating and detailed history of the whole sorry saga, which I can thoroughly recommend.
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I'm halfway through it, some incredibly brave and dedicated people whose responses were hamstrung by the Soviet political system
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Just watched part two, blimey... Nice to see the realisation of the situation finally sinking in amongst the political caste.
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A good programme indeed it was!

(Although on my rather ancient SD/RGB Sky system I thought that the picture quality and dialogue track weren't up to par).
You'll have to come to the land of the Dumnoni and watch it in 4K and surround sound.
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If the Americans had shared their development information it may never have happened in the first place. Remember post Manhattan project the UK was cut off from all nuclear "secrets" by the USA. Thus the rush job for weapons grade plutonium that led to the reactor being pushed beyond it's limits.
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Remember post Manhattan project the UK was cut off from all nuclear "secrets" by the USA.

Maybe they realised the UK intelligence community all seemed to be recruited from a hotbed of communist sympathisers, and getting a message to the Politburo was quicker via MI5 than it was via the GPO?
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