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Old 25th Apr 2019, 09:56
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US Army FARA Competition Announced!

The US Army announced the competition for the FARA Program at the AAAA Convention in Nashville.

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Bell Helicopters will be using Bell 525 Technology and Sikorsky will use their latest design based upon the ABC concept.
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Is this a future AH-64 replacement or a new requirement?
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It says OH-58/UH-60 about half way through. The requirement has been there for a while, the last attempt to fill the 'gap' was the ill-fated RAH-66 Comanche.

It's to complement the AH-64, this will be a light attack/recce platform. Looks like it might have the capability to carry out CSAR missions too. Sikorski are pitching it at USSOCOM as a launch 'customer'.

The AH-64 replacement is intended to be part of the Future Vertical Lift plan (née Joint Multi-Role Program), intended to cover vertical lift platforms over the next 50+ years.

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The US Army has not successfully developed a new rotorcraft since the AH-64. Lakota was, effectively, COTS, and since the cancellation of the RAH-66 all the Army have done is upgrade legacy aircraft and retire the Kiowa. FARA suggests that the decision not to replace the Kiowa, but to re-purpose Apache, has been seen as something of a failure. FVL/JMR Cap Set 3 (UH-60 replacement) seems to be progressing well with V-280 exceeding 300Kts and the SB-1 finally flying so, perhaps, the tide is turning. With the FVL derived technologies moving the speed on to 250kts+, perhaps it is apropos to look at the same technology to confer additional protection/capability to a scout-class platform. FWIW, my opinion is that Tilt Rotor is possibly better for the Cap Set 3 with a thrust compound better for the scout (as it will likely be smaller and have better hover performance and low speed agility). Just my 10c…….
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FARA suggests that the decision not to replace the Kiowa, but to re-purpose Apache, has been seen as something of a failure.
Talk about pointing out the bleeding obvious!

Anyone with a grain of commonsense was saying that as the Army was making that grand decision....which built upon destroying the Commanche Tooling when the geniuses terminated that Contract.
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SASless - Indeed old friend…I was trying be polite, for once!!!!
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The requirement has been there for a while, the last attempt to fill the 'gap' was the ill-fated RAH-66 Comanche.
There have been three attempts since then - the Bell ARH-70 Arapaho, the Armed Aerial Scout (AAS), and most recently the upgraded OH-58F. On each occasion, it has been budget (or lack of) that has scuppered it, so will be interested to see if this one makes it past the finish line.
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E8....not faulting you at all.....but very much unimpressed with the US Army Aviation Management!

You merely pointed out the truth of the matter.
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LHX, all over again.
Yeah: too bad comanche tooling was destroyed.
Rebuild Comanche as a single pilot aircraft and ... sorry, don't get me started.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
There have been three attempts since then - the Bell ARH-70 Arapaho, the Armed Aerial Scout (AAS), and most recently the upgraded OH-58F. On each occasion, it has been budget (or lack of) that has scuppered it, so will be interested to see if this one makes it past the finish line.
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Whatever indeed, how dare anyone introduce facts into this discussion!!

Back to the subject, some interesting reading here on one of the FARA contenders that suffered a serious mishap recently. Alert 5 » NTSB report on S-97 accident reveals extensive damage to aircraft - Military Aviation News
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I'm just more interested in the future than the past with regard to this subject.
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The U.S. Army announced that the Sikorsky-Boeing team has been selected to move forward in the Future Long-Range Assault Aircraft’s Competitive Demonstration and Risk Reduction Program (CD&RR) program.”
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https://www.verticalmag.com/news/bel...raa-selection/

Bell’s Valor, Sikorsky/Boeing Defiant advance in U.S. Army Future Assault Aircraft program
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Lockheed and Bell will compete head-to-head to build US Army’s future attack recon aircraft

WASHINGTON — Sikorsky, a Lockheed Martin-owned company, and Bell have been selected to build and fly Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) prototypes for the U.S. Army in a head-to-head competition, according to a March 25 Army statement..........
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ORAC - which of your posts is correct?
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Both.........

The Future Long Range Assault Aircraft (FLRAA) programme overlaps with the Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft programme, but is not the same.

The Valor and the Defiant have been down-selected for FLRAA; there are 5 companies still in the running for FARA, which will almost certainly be a helicopter rather than tilt-rotor. e.g.

The CEO of Textron, Bell’s parent company, said during a recent earnings call, that its FARA design will be based on its 525 technology rather than its tiltrotor technology. Bell has built and flown a tiltrotor prototype — the V-280 Valor — for the Army’s Future Vertical Lift program.”.
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Thank you o Master - I get lost in the Acronyms.........
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Sikorsky green light for prototype Raider X

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As I look at that illustration I note that there is a rack of forward firing ordnance stored right behind pilot and copilot stations.
(Swing the doors in to a "closed" position to see what I mean)
What could possibly go wrong?
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