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Final Countdown

Old 17th Apr 2019, 22:17
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Chopper2004, that's seriously impressive, but maybe you need to get out more.....
Lol I was sat in pub garden typing away earlier

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 05:21
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
A fake Mars landing, but yes a very good movie and the Little Bird flying sequence is worth the price of admission alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqL6rLktocA

Thats right, forgot it was supposed to be a Mars landing


great stuff and thanks for the link
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 12:12
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Flight of the Intruder impressed me with the slow mo shots of the Skyraiders at work, it wasn't a bad film either.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 00:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Flight of the Intruder impressed me with the slow mo shots of the Skyraiders at work, it wasn't a bad film either.
Hell yes ( have the book and film on iTunes) like aforementioned films Final Countdown and Tears Of The Sun , filmed in Hawaii around Pearl Harbour (standing in for Subic Bay) and Barbers Point (standing in for NAS Cubi Point)..

Unlike Top Gun, Flight Of The Intruder shows how a naval aviator behaves as an officer and leader. The Example being an CPo McRae brings to Jakes attention an issue regarding Hardesty (Aviation boatswain) marrying a Filipino and Jake deals with it like any divisional officer would.

I do like the music score by Basil Pouledris ...at the beginning and throughout the movie especially when they flying to target.

i wish they made the sequel to the book, Final Flight into a movie. Itís all about intrigue set in the late 80s state back (itís assumed to be Libya) terrorists taking Nimitz class carrier hostage in the Med, with our hero Jake Grafton now as CAG.

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 03:29
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Hell yes ( have the book and film on iTunes) like aforementioned films Final Countdown and Tears Of The Sun , filmed in Hawaii around Pearl Harbour (standing in for Subic Bay) and Barbers Point (standing in for NAS Cubi Point)..

Unlike Top Gun, Flight Of The Intruder shows how a naval aviator behaves as an officer and leader. The Example being an CPo McRae brings to Jakes attention an issue regarding Hardesty (Aviation boatswain) marrying a Filipino and Jake deals with it like any divisional officer would.

I do like the music score by Basil Pouledris ...at the beginning and throughout the movie especially when they flying to target.

i wish they made the sequel to the book, Final Flight into a movie. Itís all about intrigue set in the late 80s state back (itís assumed to be Libya) terrorists taking Nimitz class carrier hostage in the Med, with our hero Jake Grafton now as CAG.

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They did make a film based on Final Flight, except the carrier became a battleship and Grafton became Steven Seagal....They even named the film after a Coonts book as well!!! (CH-46, AH-1 and F/A-18's being only aviation content).

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 12:35
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
They did make a film based on Final Flight, except the carrier became a battleship and Grafton became Steven Seagal....They even named the film after a Coonts book as well!!! (CH-46, AH-1 and F/A-18's being only aviation content).
Not quite ....

Under Siege movie was not based anything like Final Flight (bar take over of UsN warship and use nukes) ..no writing credits to Stephen Coonts

The appearance and subsequent destruction lol of CH-46 Sea Knight ( actually civilian Columbia Helicopters KV-107) , and there was no AH-1 but a CHI of an Ah-64A escorting another Sea Knight (which Captain Garza says it’s a CH-53E lifting off with SEAL reinforcements).

Thr F/A-18 pilot laughingly doesn’t appear to wear an LCJ lol!

Under Siege novel is good reminds me of Tom Clancys Clear And Present Danger about the drugs war. Jake is still a Captain and battling narco terrorists on the streets of the capitol. Interesting enough there’s an character in the book , an undercover narcotics cop called Harrison Ronald Ford a.k.a Zizzy.

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post


Not quite ....

Under Siege movie was not based anything like Final Flight (bar take over of UsN warship and use nukes) ..no writing credits to Stephen Coonts

The appearance and subsequent destruction lol of CH-46 Sea Knight ( actually civilian Columbia Helicopters KV-107) , and there was no AH-1 but a CHI of an Ah-64A escorting another Sea Knight (which Captain Garza says it’s a CH-53E lifting off with SEAL reinforcements).

Thr F/A-18 pilot laughingly doesn’t appear to wear an LCJ lol!

Under Siege novel is good reminds me of Tom Clancys Clear And Present Danger about the drugs war. Jake is still a Captain and battling narco terrorists on the streets of the capitol. Interesting enough there’s an character in the book , an undercover narcotics cop called Harrison Ronald Ford a.k.a Zizzy.

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I've always rather enjoyed Tom Clancy's work - more so his own earlier stuff than the more recent work that he either co-authored or was written by someone else under the Clancy 'brandname'. That said, if you want to talk Clancy and aviation then it has to be Red Storm Rising which has an early guest appearance by the F-117, albeit not named as such. He was always ahead of his time, and his graps of detail was both enjoyable to read and in some instances wonderous as to where he picked it up from. Hunt for Red October, for example, was reportedly on the end of an attempt to get it banned by the USN as the level of detail made them think they had a leak somewhere (they did, just not in Clancy - see 'Walker class sub and it comes up with Akula Class which Walker helped equip thanks to his personal efforts at building relations with the Soviet Union!) but it was Reagan's comments about how much he enjoyed reading Red October than convinced the USN to drop it. Incidentally, Red October was based in part on real life events, but about the defection of a Baltic Fleet (if memory serves) Krivak ASW frigate.

But getting back to the general theme - yes the Final Countdown is an enjoyable bit of nonsense with some fun flying scenes, but if you want more recent more impressive flying then I heartily recommend We Were Soldiers which has more flying in it than you can shake a stick at from the initial air assault in the the Ia Drang valley through to napalm laden CAS and JTAC action later on as they are pinned down and in danger of being overrun. And it's definitely a little more graphic and less family friendly than the Final Countdown before you settle down to some family Easter viewing!
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 17:33
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Originally Posted by chopper2004 View Post


Not quite ....

Under Siege movie was not based anything like Final Flight (bar take over of UsN warship and use nukes) ..no writing credits to Stephen Coonts

The appearance and subsequent destruction lol of CH-46 Sea Knight ( actually civilian Columbia Helicopters KV-107) , and there was no AH-1 but a CHI of an Ah-64A escorting another Sea Knight (which Captain Garza says itís a CH-53E lifting off with SEAL reinforcements).

Thr F/A-18 pilot laughingly doesnít appear to wear an LCJ lol!

Under Siege novel is good reminds me of Tom Clancys Clear And Present Danger about the drugs war. Jake is still a Captain and battling narco terrorists on the streets of the capitol. Interesting enough thereís an character in the book , an undercover narcotics cop called Harrison Ronald Ford a.k.a Zizzy.

cheers


I couldn't remember if it was Cobras or Apaches and I wasn't going to dig out the VHS recorder to watch the tape. True, that it didn't have anything to do with Final Flight, bar the basic plot premise of a bunch of Terrorists / Crooks taking over a large US Navy warship and trying to steal nuclear weapons on board. Of course it killed any chance of Final Flight being made, but the Flight of the Intruder film had already done that anyway as it bombed at the box office massive. Loved the book didn't think much of the film bar the casting of Defoe as Cole. But Defoe is normally very good in any role he plays anyway. The special effects were dire as well. A couple of Richard Hermam's books would have made good films. the Warbirds and Force of Eagles. However like a lot of other books based around that 1980-90 period, massively overtaken by events. Red Storm could only be done as a mini series and special effects required to do it justice would have been very much cost prohibitive.
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 18:19
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Another missed opportunity was 'Air America'. Plenty of interesting stories to be told about CIA aeronautical activities in South East Asia but the film, though apparently inspired by the non fiction book of the same name, was pure fiction
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Old 19th Apr 2019, 19:01
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Thanks Melch, the helo insertion is exactly as I remember from those days.
if you want more recent more impressive flying then I heartily recommend We Were Soldiers which has more flying in it than you can shake a stick at from the initial air assault in the the Ia Drang valley through to napalm laden CAS and JTAC action later on as they are pinned down and in danger of being overrun.

Those guys were the first to use the "air mobile" concept versus trucks and APC's and such. I arrived on-scene about two years later and covered many of an assault, and a few covert team insertions/extractions in Laos when we were not there, heh heh. They also did not have assigned airborne FAC's from USAF and the Aussies ( Aussies were mainly down south and not in the Central Highlands - Sidewinder callsign)..

Whoever did the screen play segment for the video I posted and the helo pilots involved did the thing perfectly. Gave me flashbacks.

We would normally arrive beforehand and drop a few bombs around the perimeter if there was any indication of enema. Then hold above to meet exactly the scenario that you see in the video. Remember, at the time of the story they had not perfected the process/tactic.

They called our missions "LZ prep". And most of the time we would drop ahead of time, but that depended on the grunt assessment of how "risky" the insertion was gonna be. If initial resistence was light, we would then drop on likely concentrations or whatever the grunts wanted.

Gums recalls....

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Old 19th Apr 2019, 20:00
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Under Siege had an absolutely unforgettable cake scene.... The most magnificent cakes ever.
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 04:06
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Did anyone mention ĎBlue Thunderí ?


Outstanding helicopter action, Roy Schneider was one of the pilots


Great, corny stuff
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Old 20th Apr 2019, 06:06
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We would normally arrive beforehand and drop a few bombs around the perimeter if there was any indication of enema.
Hard to spot in the jungle I imagine...

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Old 20th Apr 2019, 13:57
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Not all that bad, Buster

As in the movie, they would pick a large clearing, and when possible, the high ground. Not all of the two VietNams or Laos was thickjungle that you had to hack thru. Most of the floor beneath the triple canopy was fairly open and resembled a forest. Down south, starting maybe 70 or 80 miles north of Saigon the terrain was very flat except for some solitary hills by the Cambodian border. As you went north you had a classic mountain range with rolling hills toward the sea and west to the Plain of Jars.

I did most of my work in III and IV Corps, where it looked like you see in most movies - rice fields and a few rubber tree plantations. So LZ prep was fairly strightforward.

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Did anyone mention ĎBlue Thunderí
But Airwolf had tastier co-pilots..........


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But Airwolf had tastier co-pilots..........
Ernest Borgnine? Oh well, each to their own
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Originally Posted by Dr Jekyll View Post
Another missed opportunity was 'Air America'. Plenty of interesting stories to be told about CIA aeronautical activities in South East Asia but the film, though apparently inspired by the non fiction book of the same name, was pure fiction
Loved the film, then read the book and realised the film was rubbish.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01 View Post
... I heartily recommend We Were Soldiers which has more flying in it than you can shake a stick at from the initial air assault in the the Ia Drang valley through to napalm laden CAS and JTAC action later on as they are pinned down and in danger of being overrun.
Pity then, that the finale departs radically from actuality, detracting from an otherwise close-portrayal of the events. But that's Hollywood for you.
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