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Old 24th Sep 2023, 11:42
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I think I met a Buccaneer Nav boss on the beach at Gibraltar in the 80s...but it's hard to remember through the alcohol induced haze...
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Did someone say female navigator Tornado squadron commander......

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...r-9969699.html
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 12:49
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Fully aware of Nav OCs, never realised that a FC could be a Sqn OC.
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 07:27
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There were Nav/Observer sqn commanders in WW2 and even an Air Gunner.. My first sqn, 33 (Javelins) had a Nav OC.
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You can tell a fighter pilot ...

Thanks Chevvie

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(Pronounced in a Yorkshire accent)
- I thought it came from the same Music Hall as "Throw a Nickel on the Grass ..."

I didn't complete the verse in order to avoid causing any possible offence to the honourable poster.

NB 1. The 8 Squadron CO designate appears to be eminently well qualified for the job.
NB 2. My old dad was an 8 Squadron pilot about a century ago - "Uspiam et passim" - I don't think they had lady Crabs in those days. Boom Boom !

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Old 9th Nov 2023, 08:44
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IOC now 2025, CAS blames Boeing

When Mr. Francois asked for a straightforward delivery date, Knighton projected an initial operating capability (IOC) year of 2025 but hesitated to provide a specific date, acknowledging the potential for future setbacks and the importance of certainty before committing to a timeline.


https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/raf-...for-e-7-delay/
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 09:03
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It has to be right. The crew won't take just any galley.
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 19:06
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Originally Posted by downsizer
Fully aware of Nav OCs, never realised that a FC could be a Sqn OC.
Not the first FC to command 8 Sqn either
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Old 9th Nov 2023, 20:04
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IOC now 2025, CAS blames Boeing
All very well, but the RAF accepted, or at least made no attempt to fight, a capability gap with the sale of the E3s to Chile et al. All that has happened is that the gap has got a bit bigger. Quelle suprise.

Boeing are continuing to try and dig themselves out of an enormous hole, admittedly of their own making. Despite what CAS might think, the UK's contract for 3 E7s is never going to be high on Boeing's priority list.
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 10:14
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Looks like the UK finally got in first and right for once. NATO has announced they will be ordering 6 wedgetails for the NATO Awacs squadron to replace the E-3's

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_219907.htm
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 12:29
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Looks like the UK finally got in first and right for once. NATO has announced they will be ordering 6 wedgetails for the NATO Awacs squadron to replace the E-3's

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_219907.htm
Perhaps the UK will thereby find a buyer for its excess radars?
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 13:49
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And have no spare parts for the other three radars? We have a track record of poor 'spares' for our systems.
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 14:38
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And have no spare parts for the other three radars? We have a track record of poor 'spares' for our systems.
I'm not sure that having two spares for any particular item in the radar really fixes the system.
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 15:10
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Think in the 80s there was an AEO Nimrod Sqn Cdr......
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Old 15th Nov 2023, 15:36
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Think in the 80s there was an AEO Nimrod Sqn Cdr......
42 Sqn, RAF St Mawgan, Wg Cdr Alan Hicks 1977-80

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Old 15th Nov 2023, 16:19
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So the NATO AEWCF is going from a peak of 29 E-3s to a mix of 9 E-7s (inc. the 3 UK ones) and 4 E-3Fs (given the buy of new sims earlier this year I presume France is sticking with the E-3 for now).

The E-7 is expected to have its main base at Geilenkirchen and could operate from several forward locations across Europe. The Wedgetail will be part of the Alliance’s future surveillance and control project which will field NATO’s next generation of surveillance systems from the mid-2030s.
Does this imply supplementing with additional as yet unspecified remotely-piloted or autonomous platforms?

Additional comment: The ratio of E-7 to E-3 is even lower that the UK - has the continent gone mad? An E-3 seems to have been a fairly constant presence along the Ukraine or Belorussian borders since Vlad's escapade started.

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Old 15th Nov 2023, 18:26
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So the NATO AEWCF is going from a peak of 29 E-3s to a mix of 9 E-7s (inc. the 3 UK ones) and 4 E-3Fs (given the buy of new sims earlier this year I presume France is sticking with the E-3 for now).



Does this imply supplementing with additional as yet unspecified remotely-piloted or autonomous platforms?

Additional comment: The ratio of E-7 to E-3 is even lower that the UK - has the continent gone mad? An E-3 seems to have been a fairly constant presence along the Ukraine or Belorussian borders since Vlad's escapade started.
Yes, the E-7s are only the initial part of the NATO Alliance Future Surveillance and Control (AFSC) system, as per this graphic. Might explain the drop in airframe numbers, as you describe.


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Old 16th Nov 2023, 12:58
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E-7 Wedgetail Radar Jet Chosen By NATO To Replace Aging E-3 (thedrive.com)
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Old 16th Nov 2023, 13:15
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Then perhaps the RAF should purchase the jets they have cancelled thus alleviating the hassle of the spare radars and supply / sell them to NATO. As the savings by cancelling was a pittance of the aircrafts actual contract costs, they could recoup that money by selling them to NATO, it might also mean NATO would gain the aircraft earlier than later, if that is not feasable, then sell the radars that are being built to NATO to install in their new aircraft, thus shortening the time to service.
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Old 16th Nov 2023, 19:23
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if that is not feasable, then sell the radars that are being built to NATO to install in their new aircraft, thus shortening the time to service.
They have stated that they wont sell the radars. They want to retain them as still hope to buy 2 more aircaft in the future if not they will use them as spares for the inservice aircraft. Allegedly the US offered to buy them and were rejected,

Also hearing one of the RAAF wedgetails will be deployed europe and leased to NATO via boeing to form the basis of the training program when it starts to happen. Theres currently an australia wedgetail flying in poland supplimenting the awacs cover for ukraine being supplied by nato. Assume the time its been there that there has been NATO members flying and observing it cloesely. I said when it was originally announced this will be massive sales demo opportunity for boeing and hope they dont screw it up
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