Why doesn't Spec Aircrew Flying Pay form part of RAF Pension?
'Because although it is called 'Flying Pay' it is in fact an allowance, something added on top of pay and not pay itself. I remember there being much commotion about this in the late 1980's and 'Redress of Complaints' being fired up to Group. Nothing happened then, there was no 'satisfaction' and there is unlikely to be any now. It's an allowance with the wrong name - get over it.'
Soooo let me get this right. Flying Pay is in fact an allowance and is not counted for pension qualification but, for PAS the allowance is pay and counted toward pension. For all other aircrew flying pay is a allowance, and not pay, and therefore not counted toward a pension. Glad we cleared that up.
Isn't it about time someone got over the 'band of brothers' bow locks and paid all aircrew a bespoke pay band (specialisation and seniority/experience dependent). The precedent is already there for Medics, Dentists and Padres. If an individual is grounded, for reasons other than competence but wants to stay in, they get paid for the new job they qualify for.
Soooo let me get this right. Flying Pay is in fact an allowance and is not counted for pension qualification but, for PAS the allowance is pay and counted toward pension. For all other aircrew flying pay is a allowance, and not pay, and therefore not counted toward a pension. Glad we cleared that up.
Isn't it about time someone got over the 'band of brothers' bow locks and paid all aircrew a bespoke pay band (specialisation and seniority/experience dependent). The precedent is already there for Medics, Dentists and Padres. If an individual is grounded, for reasons other than competence but wants to stay in, they get paid for the new job they qualify for.
Bespoke Pay Band
Xenolith ... that's not a bad idea although I suspect it would take a bit of time to manage and may well end up with a sliding-scale within the band. As for when it applies (actual flying or ground job) there will be a lot of discussion. One gentleman I worked with on a ground tour explained that he was Spec Aircrew and was worth the money because of what he knew and not for what he did. His knowledge and experience was often called upon by those who were flying and therefore his specialist knowledge was being utilised - it would be hard to argue against in cases such as these. I would like to think that it would be a matter of priority to pay our flyers what they deserve and not have to 'top it up' with allowances.
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Xenolith ... that's not a bad idea although I suspect it would take a bit of time to manage and may well end up with a sliding-scale within the band. As for when it applies (actual flying or ground job) there will be a lot of discussion. One gentleman I worked with on a ground tour explained that he was Spec Aircrew and was worth the money because of what he knew and not for what he did. His knowledge and experience was often called upon by those who were flying and therefore his specialist knowledge was being utilised - it would be hard to argue against in cases such as these. I would like to think that it would be a matter of priority to pay our flyers what they deserve and not have to 'top it up' with allowances.
there are around 180 flying marker desk jobs out there. Including the likes of IOT flight Commander. If they didn’t, you wouldn’t be able to fill desk related jobs requiring flying expertise, as it would result in a 25% pay cut. Or even, wish to have a Pilot there for relevance.
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I assume the same principle would also apply to other specialists' pay too - Submariners, Clearance Divers, Parachute Jump Instructors etc......
However, in civilian life it is quite normal to have a pensionable base salary and then other additional allowances on top which are still taxed but do not get included in the pension calculations e.g. a pilot may get a TRE allowance and a location weighting. So I'm pretty sure the law is not as black and white as to say that if you pay tax you must be able to include that element in your pension.
However, in civilian life it is quite normal to have a pensionable base salary and then other additional allowances on top which are still taxed but do not get included in the pension calculations e.g. a pilot may get a TRE allowance and a location weighting. So I'm pretty sure the law is not as black and white as to say that if you pay tax you must be able to include that element in your pension.
there are around 180 flying marker desk jobs out there. Including the likes of IOT flight Commander. If they didn’t, you wouldn’t be able to fill desk related jobs requiring flying expertise, as it would result in a 25% pay cut. Or even, wish to have a Pilot there for relevance.
