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Westland Scout/Wasp

Old 27th Jan 2019, 02:24
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Westland Scout/Wasp

A question,if I may,to those who may know:I have seen numerous photo's of Wasps flying without doors fitted.,but I don't recall seeing a picture of a Scout so configured.Was this in fact done,and if not,was there a reason ?
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 02:49
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The Scout was cleared for doors removed for flight. The AAC used them extensively in Hong Kong (660 Sqn AAC) with doors removed so they could lift the Chinese Illegal Immigrants (using Gurkha Regiment soldiers) crossing from China trying to reach Hong Kong. Quite a few pictures on the interwebs if your google-fu skills are up to it. The normal configuration was rear doors off, but all doors could be removed. There also were "flat" rear doors and "bulging" rear doors to accommodate a wider rear bench seat and more pax.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 03:43
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Used to fly mine doors off on occasion.


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Old 27th Jan 2019, 05:47
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Also often flew with a door off in N.I. when doing a bit of photography..
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 09:11
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The Scout I underslung from Cadenas to Airport Camp in Belize had the doors off. It was a real sod to fly, swinging and bucking above 70 knots.

As the Puma was variable speed/constant fuel consumption I didn't have enough fuel to go direct so I dropped it off at an airstrip and my escorting Puma with the rotor blades, REME party etc looked after it.

I was night when I came back for it. I could only just see what was going on through the fog of mossies.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 11:38
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We still fly with the doors off if the weather permits or over water displays. Minus is the wind noise over the mike, throat mikeís are a thing of the past now.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 15:54
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There were 2 types of bulged doors on the Scout. Small bulge to accommodate a stretcher transversely and the large bulge to accommodate 4 x pax or possibly 2 x stretchers. The Wasp only had the small bulge version due to the flotation gear above.

Large bulge:

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Old 27th Jan 2019, 17:12
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Being picky it looks as if the small door have stretcher bulges built in.
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 18:21
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Being picky it looks as if the small door have stretcher bulges built in.
That's exactly what RAFEngo said
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Old 27th Jan 2019, 19:38
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My fault, I didn't read it properly.
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Old 28th Jan 2019, 03:12
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Gents,

In the photo of the RAN Wasp we can see on top of the front part of the skids a pin either side, in the following photos we see what appear to be weights sitting on the pins. My question is what are they for? weight and balance or are they an early form of dampening?

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Old 28th Jan 2019, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Godknows View Post
Gents,

In the photo of the RAN Wasp we can see on top of the front part of the skids a pin either side, in the following photos we see what appear to be weights sitting on the pins. My question is what are they for? weight and balance or are they an early form of dampening?

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Apparently the RAN didn't operate Wasps, that is a Scout in the picture. Scouts did have problems with ground resonance in development, and as you point out in the other pictures there seems to be a variation in the number of discs: none, two and three on the skid tips. Perhaps some AAC types are lurking?
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A fairly lightweight single pilot operating the a/c could be right on the CofG limits, and so weights had to be used
to get the CofG back in limits.
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Old 29th Jan 2019, 02:24
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The RN Wasp operated without doors because in the event of a ditching the flotation gear left the body of the aircraft below the surface and it made egress through the roof panel rather tricky I believe. Deflector panels were fitted to the forward hinges of the front doors to avoid a ninety knot gale in the cockpit in flight. It did make operating in the northern climes pretty chilly until they came up with heated gloves and socks which were particularly nice during the "Cod War".
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A fairly lightweight single pilot operating the a/c could be right on the CofG limits, and so weights had to be used to get the CofG back in limits
Never used weights, and weighed less than 140lb dripping wet.
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Thanks Gents for the responses,

If it was to assist in C of G matters then I would have thought a few up the front would have been fairly handy if you have a crew member aft observing the under-slung loading party as in the RAN photo!
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 15:49
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Originally Posted by megan View Post
Never used weights, and weighed less than 140lb dripping wet.
Can't recall seeing them used for anything more than propping-open the 700 door. ISTR using the posts when dragging them about the pan.
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Old 30th Jan 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Godknows View Post
Thanks Gents for the responses,

If it was to assist in C of G matters then I would have thought a few up the front would have been fairly handy if you have a crew member aft observing the under-slung loading party as in the RAN photo!
All weight in the cabin is forward of the mast and therefore adding to the fwd cg. Doesnít matter that the crewie is behind the driver.

Probably why the lightweight racing snake got away with no skid weights
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Old 31st Jan 2019, 00:16
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Does anyone have any REAL idea of why the weights existed? Seems obvious for CoG purposes, but never had any CoG problems without them. Then again I don't recall ever doing a CoG calc. In my time flying the aircraft never saw, or even knew they existed, certainly no reference to them during conversion.
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In current flying practice on type, they are for CofG. If you had the SS-11 fit or have the dual instrument panel, not required, else, solo and under 9st (ish) and depending on fuel load, they would be required. Next time Iím in the Hangar, Iíll take a photo of the CofG chart to demonstrate. Youíll note the RAN Scout has the sand filters fitted which will bring the CofG aft.

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