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Red Arrows on channel 5 - 'Kings Of The Sky'

Old 10th Feb 2019, 21:58
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Private jet, that's not really true. Down to the laziness of school teachers who lower their standards instead of insisting on correct use of English. There was a very interesting series on TV recently 'Back in Time for School', hosted by someone called Sara Cox. Her standard of English was pitiful, as was that of many of the alleged teachers.

As for the pupils, it seems that 'like' is like, used during each piece of like dialogue. Innit...like?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:36
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Mind you, May always says "pleece" rather than "police"
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:38
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If it's true English accentuation that you seek, try reading something very old exactly as written.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 12:54
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Kings of the sky

>>> rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff. <<<
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 14:28
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Indeed, Sleeve Wing. But it is indeed an excellent programme.

Blacksheep, I'm not saying that everyone should speak like Jacob Rees-Mogg. But lazy 'estuary' English which has no real regional origin is to be deplored.

Another pet hate: 'garage' pronounced as 'garridge' - which it seems is now part of the Islington luvvies' lexicon. Even the Americans pronounce it guh'rarge.

Teachers, please take your pupils' phones off them and beat them into the correct use of English. Like...

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Old 11th Feb 2019, 15:03
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...and while you are at it, stop beginning every sentence with "So", particuly during the month of Feburee.

Really enjoying the series but.
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 17:31
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So, to carry on the theme, 'breggsit' really irritates me.

Very much enjoying the series. When they said last week that they were selecting TWO new pilots, I guess they were assuming Starky would be back this year?
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Old 11th Feb 2019, 19:33
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"Outside of", anyone? Utterly endemic these days, even on the Beeb.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 02:34
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English is a developing borrowing language and change is inevitable, especially so with the rise of global media. If it were not, we would still be using Dr Johnsons dictionary - but not the one Baldrick burned. I'm a native English speaker, but having lived overseas for the last 16 years, my language had changed slightly with my environment. For example, I often use 'cheque' (not check!) instead of bill and my accent must have changed as I'm sometimes mistaken for being Australian (horror of horrors!). Change is inevitable - you can't resist it!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 08:34
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And ban the word "upcoming"!
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 10:13
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WIV !! (cockneys aside)

And
Change is inevitable - you can't resist it!
OK Dan, but I don't necessarily welcome all of it.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 14:51
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Originally Posted by Sleeve Wing View Post
>>> rather good - apart from the '4-point barrel roll' guff. <<<
Like you, BEagle, I cringed every time I heard this reference, as the subject manoeuvre was neither.
Just surprised that the editors (at least one from the service I assume) didn't pick it up. Otherwise this is turning out to be good, well-informed entertainment.
Please could you explain why the manoeuvre was not a "4-point barrel roll"? And if not, what would you call it and why?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:38
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A "barrel roll" is a rolling manoeuvre that is quite lazy and gentle and describes a path that you could imagine being around a barrel in the sky. A 4 point roll describes a roll maintaining the same height and direction but stopping (momentarily) at each 90 degrees of the roll ie after the first stop you are "knife edge" - the second stop you are inverted etc etc. There is no such thing as a "4-point barrel roll".
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:47
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The Reds expect the highest level of flying ability from Team members. Anyone guilty of anything questionable is dropped immediately and replaced (or the Team carries on with 8). Some scrapes are accepted as risks (Synchro mid air with Montenegro and Ling) but stuff up a forced landing or turn back and you're gone. The Valley incident was such a very unfortunate accident but the surviving pilot will not return to the Reds IMHO. I hope he does actually.
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent View Post
The Reds expect the highest level of flying ability from Team members. Anyone guilty of anything questionable is dropped immediately and replaced (or the Team carries on with 8). Some scrapes are accepted as risks (Synchro mid air with Montenegro and Ling) but stuff up a forced landing or turn back and you're gone. The Valley incident was such a very unfortunate accident but the surviving pilot will not return to the Reds IMHO. I hope he does actually.
Can you give one example of when this has happened?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 20:04
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Just been watching this on ‘catch up tv’ and really enjoying it. I got a bit wound up about the 4 pt barrel roll, but i’ve managed to let that go! Watched them a lot when at Scampton and Cranwell - plenty to admire. Big aviation highlight for me - back seat in Red 1 for a full display practice. Eclat indeed
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 20:13
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Originally Posted by Arfur Dent View Post
A "barrel roll" is a rolling manoeuvre that is quite lazy and gentle and describes a path that you could imagine being around a barrel in the sky. A 4 point roll describes a roll maintaining the same height and direction but stopping (momentarily) at each 90 degrees of the roll ie after the first stop you are "knife edge" - the second stop you are inverted etc etc. There is no such thing as a "4-point barrel roll".
I understand a "4 point roll" is an aileron roll with stops every 90 degrees - but the roll the pilot performed clearly wasn't an aileron roll because he used elevator. He clearly pitches up about 20 degrees before inputting aileron, and in fact he says that's what he does when he explains the move with the models. And to me it looked like a barrel roll - similar to the one they perform in 'Roll Backs', but with hesitations every 90 degrees. It's clearly not a full-deflection aileron-roll like they perform in the 'Revolution' manoeuvre. So doesn't that make it a "four point barrel roll"? Or is there another name for a barrel-roll incorporating hesitations every 90 degrees that they should have used?
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Old 12th Feb 2019, 21:07
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I could Mega, but I won't. Happened on several occasions over the years......
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Old 13th Feb 2019, 06:32
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Can you give one example of when this has happened?
Perhaps there may have been medical issues as well, however, there have been several team members who, having ejected, were no longer in the main team:

Curly Hurst
Spike Newbury
Dicky Edwards
Starky
Pete Collins
Dan Findlay

Even the great Lingy moved from R6 to R10

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Old 13th Feb 2019, 07:17
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I wouldn't have thought it would be appropriate for a pilot to return to the team with the BoI still ongoing?
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