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Always a risk, given the low moral values of many in society today. Tragic events, which sadly will be repeated.
It's a very sad state of affair - we live in a world that I some times fail to understand... only this week this news was reported in my home town:
Poppy Appeal collection box stolen from church in Helston...
Poppy Appeal collection box stolen from church in Helston...
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From the second cited article:A spokesman for Hampshire Police said two men aged 28 years and 54 years and a 24-year-old woman had been arrested on suspicion of theft following the Festival Place incident.They were all released pending further investigation.
And there's the problem. "They were all released." They didn't have to meet any bail requirements?
And there's the problem. "They were all released." They didn't have to meet any bail requirements?
From the second cited article:A spokesman for Hampshire Police said two men aged 28 years and 54 years and a 24-year-old woman had been arrested on suspicion of theft following the Festival Place incident.They were all released pending further investigation.
And there's the problem. "They were all released." They didn't have to meet any bail requirements?
And there's the problem. "They were all released." They didn't have to meet any bail requirements?
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Ken. Bail legislation changed in 2017 to make it much harder for the police to use. There are arguments for reduced bail but in essence the government threw the baby out with the bath water when making bail so hard to use now, but I digress. In any case bail for low value (in monetary terms) damage would be hard to justify. Lastly reading between the lines it looks like the police have more enquiries to make before charging the idiots. If they had been charged they would have been bailed to court but as it stands it looks like they were released pending further enquiries.
Another difference appears to be the bail system. The police do not set bail. We have three separate branches of government. The Executive Branch (to which the police and prosecutors belong) enforce the laws. They investigate crimes, catch the criminals, hold them temporarily, charge them, and bring them to court. In court, the Judicial Branch (which is separate from the Executive Branch) reviews the evidence and the charges and orders them to be held or released pending trial. And if they are held, the court (judge) sets bail, if any. The police have no say in the matter and the prosecutor may argue/plea for a high bail, but it's up to the judge who is totally independent of the prosecutor.
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The Red Sox fan who threw a beer can at the World Series Trophy Parade hitting the Boston Manager was charged with assault and battery, drinking alcohol in Public and
possession of alcohol when under the age of 21. In the UK, I doubt our Police would have found him or if they did, would have bothered much in the absence of any injury. They certainly would not care about the booze element otherwise they would need to be after many of our school kids for the same offence when they appear to have far more pressing demands on their time! The link between alcohol/drugs, gangs and stabbings and the UK's choice to ignore low level "victimless" crime is coming home to bite.
The Red Sox fan who threw a beer can at the World Series Trophy Parade hitting the Boston Manager was charged with assault and battery, drinking alcohol in Public and
possession of alcohol when under the age of 21. In the UK, I doubt our Police would have found him or if they did, would have bothered much in the absence of any injury. They certainly would not care about the booze element otherwise they would need to be after many of our school kids for the same offence when they appear to have far more pressing demands on their time! The link between alcohol/drugs, gangs and stabbings and the UK's choice to ignore low level "victimless" crime is coming home to bite.
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The Red Sox fan who threw a beer can at the World Series Trophy Parade hitting the Boston Manager was charged with assault and battery, drinking alcohol in Public and
possession of alcohol when under the age of 21. In the UK, I doubt our Police would have found him or if they did, would have bothered much in the absence of any injury. They certainly would not care about the booze element otherwise they would need to be after many of our school kids for the same offence when they appear to have far more pressing demands on their time! The link between alcohol/drugs, gangs and stabbings and the UK's choice to ignore low level "victimless" crime is coming home to bite.
The Red Sox fan who threw a beer can at the World Series Trophy Parade hitting the Boston Manager was charged with assault and battery, drinking alcohol in Public and
possession of alcohol when under the age of 21. In the UK, I doubt our Police would have found him or if they did, would have bothered much in the absence of any injury. They certainly would not care about the booze element otherwise they would need to be after many of our school kids for the same offence when they appear to have far more pressing demands on their time! The link between alcohol/drugs, gangs and stabbings and the UK's choice to ignore low level "victimless" crime is coming home to bite.
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UK does exactly the same when they find illegal immigrants. "Please report to the Police station every Thursday." They may possibly do it once, but then disappear again!
I don't know if the Police need more custody capability, or it's all to f-difficult, but it seriously annoys me.
I don't know if the Police need more custody capability, or it's all to f-difficult, but it seriously annoys me.
The UK police farce has been emasculated, but most worrying of all is that them seem to like it.
Seems that anyone reporting a crime will be lucky to find any action taken, and often the police seem more interested in finding reasons to discourage anyone to report incidents in the first place.
I hate to say it but until we have more police on the streets with effective powers aimed at small and mindless actions, then bigger ones follow when the perpetrators feel they can get away with impunity.
Discourage small crimes with hefty community service - in dayglo clothing suitably marked as "Public Nuisance" or similar and supervised collecting roadside rubbish, clearing away fly tipping or cutting back overgrown hedges etc - made to WORK, then this slide into a pit of indifference will continue
Seems that anyone reporting a crime will be lucky to find any action taken, and often the police seem more interested in finding reasons to discourage anyone to report incidents in the first place.
I hate to say it but until we have more police on the streets with effective powers aimed at small and mindless actions, then bigger ones follow when the perpetrators feel they can get away with impunity.
Discourage small crimes with hefty community service - in dayglo clothing suitably marked as "Public Nuisance" or similar and supervised collecting roadside rubbish, clearing away fly tipping or cutting back overgrown hedges etc - made to WORK, then this slide into a pit of indifference will continue
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The UK police farce has been emasculated, but most worrying of all is that them seem to like it.
Seems that anyone reporting a crime will be lucky to find any action taken, and often the police seem more interested in finding reasons to discourage anyone to report incidents in the first place.
I hate to say it but until we have more police on the streets with effective powers aimed at small and mindless actions, then bigger ones follow when the perpetrators feel they can get away with impunity.
Discourage small crimes with hefty community service - in dayglo clothing suitably marked as "Public Nuisance" or similar and supervised collecting roadside rubbish, clearing away fly tipping or cutting back overgrown hedges etc - made to WORK, then this slide into a pit of indifference will continue
Seems that anyone reporting a crime will be lucky to find any action taken, and often the police seem more interested in finding reasons to discourage anyone to report incidents in the first place.
I hate to say it but until we have more police on the streets with effective powers aimed at small and mindless actions, then bigger ones follow when the perpetrators feel they can get away with impunity.
Discourage small crimes with hefty community service - in dayglo clothing suitably marked as "Public Nuisance" or similar and supervised collecting roadside rubbish, clearing away fly tipping or cutting back overgrown hedges etc - made to WORK, then this slide into a pit of indifference will continue
The Police don't need more powers, the courts need to enforce the powers already in place.
Agreed. The Tories have a habit of increasing punishments for some offences as an easy head line grabbing way of making it look as if they are doing something about the problem, There are two problems with that. First as you have pointed out the courts very rarely give out maximum sentences and second, there aren't enough police now either to arrest people at the scene or to thoroughly investigate the crime afterwards.
