Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Marham’s future

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Marham’s future

Old 18th Oct 2018, 08:49
  #41 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Royal Berkshire
Posts: 1,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 5aday View Post
I was stationed at Marham as Assistant ATC from spring of 67 until early 69 and I'm sure I saw a Valiant from Boscombe Down doing a flypast. I recall it was white as well. I wonder if Boscombe Down would still have a have a record ?
Dave/5aday
I don't think any Valiant ever flew again after the January 26th 1965 grounding order?
I believe the last Valiant sortie's were actually on 9th December 1964, the sole complete example, XD818 now at Cosford making the final bomber sortie on that day, with XD812 making the final tanker sortie on the same day.
GeeRam is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 09:01
  #42 (permalink)  
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lincolnshire
Age: 79
Posts: 16,775
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
GeeRam, I would have agreed though I believe it was said here that one was flying for a few years though not regularly.

I do know that one or two detached to RRE I believe were very low hours, less than 100, and it was hoped to keep them flying. A number of rivets were checked looking for crack propagation and none found. Then one more for luck and that was it. I believe they also found cracks in unused spars as well.
Pontius Navigator is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 11:58
  #43 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Uranus
Posts: 344
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Valiant Spars

Sorry for the slight creep but I recall seeing an in depth technical article about the alloy degrading in the spars, although it seems to have vanished from online.

It explained the concept of safe life as opposed to fail safe design and how the industry changed philosophy afterwards.

I understand the only thing that kept a on wing on one jet was the steel cross-brace in the wheel well.

Found one similar for those interested-

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1955/1955%20-%200807.PDF

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1951/1951%20-%202503.html
Shaft109 is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 12:49
  #44 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 5aday View Post
I was stationed at Marham as Assistant ATC from spring of 67 until early 69 and I'm sure I saw a Valiant from Boscombe Down doing a flypast. I recall it was white as well. I wonder if Boscombe Down would still have a have a record ?
Dave/5aday
I think your memory is entirely plausible!

https://www.flightglobal.com/FlightP...20-%200866.PDF
wonderboysteve is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 13:09
  #45 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Royal Berkshire
Posts: 1,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
GeeRam, I would have agreed though I believe it was said here that one was flying for a few years though not regularly.

I do know that one or two detached to RRE I believe were very low hours, less than 100, and it was hoped to keep them flying. A number of rivets were checked looking for crack propagation and none found. Then one more for luck and that was it. I believe they also found cracks in unused spars as well.
Of course...........aging memory cells are playing tricks on me. I should have remembered XD816 being used into the late 60's, as a young teen I had a 'thing' for the Valiant, and my uncle (ex-REME WO) had been at the 50th Anniversary event at Abingdon in '68 and made me jealous as he had said there was a white Valiant that had flown in for it, which was XD816.
And so have just found this
June 1968 at Abingdon

GeeRam is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 14:50
  #46 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Marlow
Age: 75
Posts: 315
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you Gentlemen. You have restored my faith in my brain cells.
I took a Valiant pilot to Downsview (De havilland Canada) to give me some light relief
whilst ferrying a DHC Twin Otter back to the UK. We were delayed in Toronto whilst SOC GEN
made a couple of Euros fiddling with the purchase price. His name - John Mitchell and he was my
CAA Ops Inspector at the time. Lots of fun.

Last edited by 5aday; 18th Oct 2018 at 15:23.
5aday is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 15:32
  #47 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Royal Berkshire
Posts: 1,526
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A bit further digging, and it seems the flight into Abingdon for the 50th was its final flight and thus the final flight of the type, being broken up a few years later. The nose section only of XD816 survives at Brooklands.
GeeRam is offline  
Old 18th Oct 2018, 20:44
  #48 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: South Africa
Age: 85
Posts: 1,329
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
XD816 was a 214 Sqdn a/c. In GeeRams picture the 214 loggo on the fin is quite clear. Also visible on the black painted section of the nose are the Rebecca Mk X shark fin aerials. We used to tell visitors that they were a 'sight' to aid the inflight refuelling!

It spent a lot of time as the 'test bed' for Flight Refuelling to fit the 1st bomb bay mounted Hose Drum Unit.

Because of this time as a 'hanger queen', its hours and cycles were low, and someone decided to keep and use it.

After the scrapping of the rest of the Valiant's, XD816 spent time at Boscombe. I dunno what they used it for.
ian16th is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2018, 10:06
  #49 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 5,223
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It doesn't look quite the same without underwing tanks. Fuel capacity 12,500lbs each for those that do not know.
Fareastdriver is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2018, 11:31
  #50 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 13,751
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Original comments include those by by Pontius Navigator, who should be able to elaborate.....

Valiant Tankers

XD816 went from 214 Sqd Marham (underwing tanks removed prior to transit flight at Marham) to Wisley 18 August 1964 for trial installation of rear spar repair scheme under KD/P/198/CB.5(c). Loaned to BAC Wisley 21 September 1964, At Wisley from 1 April 1965 - 26 November 1965 for re-spar & flight trials at that time had completed 2,012.05 flying hours & 829 landings. On 29 June 1967 passed to control of BAC (Operating) Ltd for fatigue flight trials, MOD loaned aircraft for display at Abingdon 23 April 1968, finally SOC 26 August 1970.

According to the book, 816 flew on 28 Apr 1968 in a flypast to mark the disbandment of Bomber Command.

ORAC is offline  
Old 19th Oct 2018, 12:04
  #51 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Maybe the Valiant should have it's own thread in Aviation History and Nostalgia?
campbeex is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.