Time when Tornado made emergency landing at Tonopah
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Time when Tornado made emergency landing at Tonopah
Red Flag April 1990, Tornado GR1 made emergency landing aTTR.
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The GR1 fuel indication was less than helpful, combining a little too much into a single instrument. Even worse in the back - a simple digital readout of the total fuel in the aircraft but not where it was or if it was actually available for burning.
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It’s great to finally hear the true story from the horse’s mouth, and what a great story it is. I have heard, apocryphally, the tale before but I got that it was a Tonka with an engine failure that diverted into the box and landed at Groom Lake, where the crew were hooded, interrogated for two days then returned to Nellis, still hooded. Then a Groom Lake pilot returned said Tonka to Nellis on one engine.
Although a great dit, the true story, I think, is even better. However, beware the camo dudes maybe stalking you as we speak for leaking this sensitive tale
Although a great dit, the true story, I think, is even better. However, beware the camo dudes maybe stalking you as we speak for leaking this sensitive tale
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Nice zap!
Given the 1990 time frame, there would have been sensitivity to other aircraft being flown out of Tonapah- namely the MiGs of the Read Eagles. The engines the author heard during the day may well have been MiGs (and a few SU's). Tonapah had been MiGs during the day, F-117's at night, but the F-117 was seeing some daylight by then and would not be surprised of a few F-117's being put into Red Flag exercises.
Given the 1990 time frame, there would have been sensitivity to other aircraft being flown out of Tonapah- namely the MiGs of the Read Eagles. The engines the author heard during the day may well have been MiGs (and a few SU's). Tonapah had been MiGs during the day, F-117's at night, but the F-117 was seeing some daylight by then and would not be surprised of a few F-117's being put into Red Flag exercises.
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Given the time frame, I would think the Migs were the biggie, although the 117's had not moved to Holloman yet. The Migs had to fly in daylight for Constant Peg and Red Flag, unlike the 117.
My briefings at Red Flag always included the option to land at a "suitable, nearest: strip that we could see. In other words, don't fly over Groom Lake trying to reach Nellis. Tonopah was at the NW of the Red Flag ranges, but it was easier to reach than Groom Lake, and I flew a few missions just south of there.
Great war story.
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Given the time frame, I would think the Migs were the biggie, although the 117's had not moved to Holloman yet. The Migs had to fly in daylight for Constant Peg and Red Flag, unlike the 117.
My briefings at Red Flag always included the option to land at a "suitable, nearest: strip that we could see. In other words, don't fly over Groom Lake trying to reach Nellis. Tonopah was at the NW of the Red Flag ranges, but it was easier to reach than Groom Lake, and I flew a few missions just south of there.
Great war story.
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IIRC, during the 'hot debrief' of the crew at Nellis they remembered hearing the telling phrase " it's out in the open" on the ground frequency and they weren't referring to the Tonka. I always suspected something other than Migs and F-117.
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The guy who took a Jag into Tonopah was at Marham at the same time as Grouty, his experience was very similar except for the suggestion that they pretty well stripped his aircraft down.
The 117 exchange at the time was asked to look at the Tornado to confirm the crew's assertion it was a fuel transfer issue. After a detailed inspection, he was asked his opinion. His rely was "No idea. I flew Jaguars".
There was a colour picture on the pilots's Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/Tornado-Ove...5614338828941/
The geek in me wonders what reg number 'FG' was.....
The F117 was not a secret by the time of Red Flag 1990, it had been publicly revealed in late 88, and photos had been published of aircraft flying over Nevada in 1989. It did make it's first public appearance at an Airshow just after Red Flag 90
https://www.facebook.com/Tornado-Ove...5614338828941/
The geek in me wonders what reg number 'FG' was.....
The F117 was not a secret by the time of Red Flag 1990, it had been publicly revealed in late 88, and photos had been published of aircraft flying over Nevada in 1989. It did make it's first public appearance at an Airshow just after Red Flag 90
There was a colour picture on the pilots's Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/Tornado-Ove...5614338828941/
The geek in me wonders what reg number 'FG' was.....
The F117 was not a secret by the time of Red Flag 1990, it had been publicly revealed in late 88, and photos had been published of aircraft flying over Nevada in 1989. It did make it's first public appearance at an Airshow just after Red Flag 90
https://www.facebook.com/Tornado-Ove...5614338828941/
The geek in me wonders what reg number 'FG' was.....
The F117 was not a secret by the time of Red Flag 1990, it had been publicly revealed in late 88, and photos had been published of aircraft flying over Nevada in 1989. It did make it's first public appearance at an Airshow just after Red Flag 90
Later on in the Facebook thread it states the airframe as being ZA474. Presumably the zap was long lost/painted over by the time of its scrapping?
https://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/201...s-za409-za474/
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The FG is just to make life easier for everybody, it wouldn't necessarily stay on the aircraft.
As an example, at Brüggen in the eighties the aircraft had the following fleet codes:
14 Sqn: AA, AB, AC etc.
17 Sqn: BA, BB, BC etc.
20 Sqn: CA, CB, CC etc.
31 Sqn: DA, DB, DC etc.
The FG is just to make life easier for everybody, it wouldn't necessarily stay on the aircraft.
As an example, at Brüggen in the eighties the aircraft had the following fleet codes:
14 Sqn: AA, AB, AC etc.
17 Sqn: BA, BB, BC etc.
20 Sqn: CA, CB, CC etc.
31 Sqn: DA, DB, DC etc.
Davef68
The FG is just to make life easier for everybody, it wouldn't necessarily stay on the aircraft.
As an example, at Brüggen in the eighties the aircraft had the following fleet codes:
14 Sqn: AA, AB, AC etc.
17 Sqn: BA, BB, BC etc.
20 Sqn: CA, CB, CC etc.
31 Sqn: DA, DB, DC etc.
The FG is just to make life easier for everybody, it wouldn't necessarily stay on the aircraft.
As an example, at Brüggen in the eighties the aircraft had the following fleet codes:
14 Sqn: AA, AB, AC etc.
17 Sqn: BA, BB, BC etc.
20 Sqn: CA, CB, CC etc.
31 Sqn: DA, DB, DC etc.
In my aged befuddled state I obviously mixed up the Tornado over the Tigris post
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We infringed the Tonopah airspace whilst evading an SA8 rather too enthusiastically. The pilot was the Station Commander and on the way home he said: “You know that’s going to have to be your fault don’t you!” “Yes sir”. The punishment was being grounded for a day..... in Las Vegas!
