F-22 Derivative for Japan
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F-22 Derivative for Japan
From Aerospace Daily and Defense Report, Aug 24, 2018
Radical F-22 Derivative Offered To Japan—ReportSYDNEY—Lockheed Martin has proposed a F-22 derivative with a new wing and great range for Japan’s requirement for a fighter for the 2030s, the Nikkei newspaper said. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) would develop and build the wing, the IHI XF9-1 turbofan would power the twin-engine fighter and avionics from Mitsubishi Electric would be fitted, Nikkei said. Japanese weapons would be used as far as possible. The paper attributed its information to Lockheed Martin but did not saying exactly how it was obtained. Japanese content would reach at least 50%, or more than 60% if the XF9-1 were used. Radius of the F-22 derivative would be 2,200 km (1,400 mi.), the Nikkei said, without defining the mission except to say that the distance would be enough for defending remote islands. Such performance, if it included a reasonable time on station and allowance for air combat, would be most unusual.
Is an F-22 with an entirely new wing, new engines, and new avionics still an F-22, or even a derivative of an F-22?
Radical F-22 Derivative Offered To Japan—ReportSYDNEY—Lockheed Martin has proposed a F-22 derivative with a new wing and great range for Japan’s requirement for a fighter for the 2030s, the Nikkei newspaper said. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) would develop and build the wing, the IHI XF9-1 turbofan would power the twin-engine fighter and avionics from Mitsubishi Electric would be fitted, Nikkei said. Japanese weapons would be used as far as possible. The paper attributed its information to Lockheed Martin but did not saying exactly how it was obtained. Japanese content would reach at least 50%, or more than 60% if the XF9-1 were used. Radius of the F-22 derivative would be 2,200 km (1,400 mi.), the Nikkei said, without defining the mission except to say that the distance would be enough for defending remote islands. Such performance, if it included a reasonable time on station and allowance for air combat, would be most unusual.
Is an F-22 with an entirely new wing, new engines, and new avionics still an F-22, or even a derivative of an F-22?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
So, apart from the wings and engines - and hence in part the fuselage - along with the avionics and doubtless all the software and radar - it will be just like the F-22. Apart from the non-exportable stealth technology and coatings......
If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs......
If we had some ham, we could have some ham and eggs, if we had some eggs......
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@Trumpet_Trouser: wrong side of the Sea of Japan for that joke, since they have a word for rogue samurai (ronin) that kills your joke. Look a little further east.
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Was an F-18 with the same sort of upgrade/mod "actually an F-18?" I refer, of course, to the Super Hornet (E/F) and the mud slinging about it being the same TMS or not, circa the 90's ...
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Is an F-22 with an entirely new wing, new engines, and new avionics still an F-22, or even a derivative of an F-22?
Isn't China to the west of Japan?
I suspect Japan will be more careful not to fall into a F2 diplomatic bear trap again. Here's hoping they can produce a capable aircraft that doesn't cost 4 times the price of a F22.
I suspect Japan will be more careful not to fall into a F2 diplomatic bear trap again. Here's hoping they can produce a capable aircraft that doesn't cost 4 times the price of a F22.
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Indeed. Many good arguments were made that it was not but those arguments were not political palatable. On the other hand the super was more of a scale-up of the existing design than a complete start over, while this thing being proposed for Japan looks like a start over, not a scale-up of the existing F-22 design.
Or back 20 years, should the Harrier II have been an AV-8B or something different?
Japan played it's X-2 card quite well - 'Look, we have the capability to make a new generation fighter but we really would like international partners to help develop it"
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In a similar vein, USN's F9F started out as the straight winged Panther. The sixth variant (F9F-6) was a Panther with swept wings and was renamed Cougar.
They may well have the first billion dollar a copy fighter.
Norm Augustine is chuckling somewhere, he saw it coming long ago.
