Asbestos on Sea King
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Asbestos on Sea King
So where is the asbestos in Sea King?
Did we not run a programme in 1999 to identify and “manage” the issue across the board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45313394
I can’t imagine the issue is confined to Sea King.
Did we not run a programme in 1999 to identify and “manage” the issue across the board.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45313394
I can’t imagine the issue is confined to Sea King.
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Whilst I wouldn't belittle the hazard, it is relatively small scale compared to the amount of beryllium and cadmium certain aircraft have in their structure...
So where is the asbestos in Sea King?
Did we not run a programme in 1999 to identify and “manage” the issue across the board.
Glad Rag is right. Cadmium and Beryllium. Told we must be joking if we thought funding would be available to replace it.
My old Admiral succumbed in his 70s, having had a single asbestos exposure on a ship when a sprog.
I'll let you know if I get a compo cheque.
Are there many (any) still in service?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sea...ined-1.4796714
Most of the seals in old aircraft hot air systems in and around engines and air conditioning are asbestos/metal sandwich.
There is a danger of asbestos contamination when replacing them.
Don't know when their use was stopped.
There is a danger of asbestos contamination when replacing them.
Don't know when their use was stopped.
The link shows other asbestos uses in aircraft and following the links at the bottom of the page, there are a lot of industries that utilised asbestos:
https://www.asbestos.net/occupations...aft-mechanics/
https://www.asbestos.net/occupations...aft-mechanics/
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Ohh Dust it off!
The dust and the fine particles of asbestos is what potentially can cause lung cancer.
Any contained asbestos can not harm you.
Here in Norway corrugated asbestos cement roof tiles and wall panels was super popular from the 50s until into the 80s.
We have a hunting cabin covered with the stuff.
I also had the honor to be the handyman when my Uncle expanded his henhouse from 100 square meter to 200 in the 70s.
The local carpenter was at times total IMC with his grinder cutting the roof panels , only emerging ever so often for a smoke!!
Renovating a house with this kind of roof now , require a major HAZMAT team , and is costing You your shirt.
Anyway
I think asbestos is rather low on the TEM list everyone love to wave about .
Specially at SAR with helicopters from the 60s.
Damd good bird, mind u !
You all stay safe now!
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Cpt B
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Any contained asbestos can not harm you.
Here in Norway corrugated asbestos cement roof tiles and wall panels was super popular from the 50s until into the 80s.
We have a hunting cabin covered with the stuff.
I also had the honor to be the handyman when my Uncle expanded his henhouse from 100 square meter to 200 in the 70s.
The local carpenter was at times total IMC with his grinder cutting the roof panels , only emerging ever so often for a smoke!!
Renovating a house with this kind of roof now , require a major HAZMAT team , and is costing You your shirt.
Anyway
I think asbestos is rather low on the TEM list everyone love to wave about .
Specially at SAR with helicopters from the 60s.
Damd good bird, mind u !
You all stay safe now!
Regards
Cpt B
,
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Yes that’s what I recall. I was careful in my choice of words in my original post as back in 99 when I worked in SM27 the original directive of “identity and manage” had been corrupted into “removal” while the stuff was sandwiched between two flanges no one was exposed. One case in point was some gasket on the VC10 APU. Certainly not effective to send them through maintence but to dispose of the whole assembly as Hazardous waste when the jets were scrapped.
Did a bit of work on Sea King up the tail boom and under the cabin floor laying in some cables for Omega and RWR back in 1982. I do hope I was not exposed. I can’t remember ever cutting holes in any trim blankets but may have done.
So far as I remember the only exposure I was aware of was wrapping some hot air pipes in a Canberra PR9 camera bay with asbestos woven tape which was fixed in place with locking wire. My locking wire skills were not up to much and I had to do it again. Each time the braided tape became more fluffy. I think some time (quite a few years) after this we were all given forms to fill in. I entered this on my form.
We all knew cadmium was an issue with all steel bits being plated. I do remember a change for some bits where, in the parachuting world we were able to issue concessions to have bits being made to old drawings zinc plated. There was a lot of folks who thought stainless was preferable but did not get the potential difference scketch when in contact with aluminium. Yak s#1t jointing Compound JC5A was not in common parlance in those areas. My understanding in the day that the hazard was in the processing of cad plating not the finished articles. I know the in house facilities were slowly shut down and any plating had to go out to Contractors.
The one thing that grabbed my attention in the Daily Fail article was that the contents of the internal memo were “Secret” and not to be shared outside of MoD. Well the cat is out of the bag now. Is this a further example of an MoD cover up? I get the point that they don’t want to spread alarm. But....
Yes that’s what I recall. I was careful in my choice of words in my original post as back in 99 when I worked in SM27 the original directive of “identity and manage” had been corrupted into “removal” while the stuff was sandwiched between two flanges no one was exposed. One case in point was some gasket on the VC10 APU. Certainly not effective to send them through maintence but to dispose of the whole assembly as Hazardous waste when the jets were scrapped.
Did a bit of work on Sea King up the tail boom and under the cabin floor laying in some cables for Omega and RWR back in 1982. I do hope I was not exposed. I can’t remember ever cutting holes in any trim blankets but may have done.
So far as I remember the only exposure I was aware of was wrapping some hot air pipes in a Canberra PR9 camera bay with asbestos woven tape which was fixed in place with locking wire. My locking wire skills were not up to much and I had to do it again. Each time the braided tape became more fluffy. I think some time (quite a few years) after this we were all given forms to fill in. I entered this on my form.
We all knew cadmium was an issue with all steel bits being plated. I do remember a change for some bits where, in the parachuting world we were able to issue concessions to have bits being made to old drawings zinc plated. There was a lot of folks who thought stainless was preferable but did not get the potential difference scketch when in contact with aluminium. Yak s#1t jointing Compound JC5A was not in common parlance in those areas. My understanding in the day that the hazard was in the processing of cad plating not the finished articles. I know the in house facilities were slowly shut down and any plating had to go out to Contractors.
The one thing that grabbed my attention in the Daily Fail article was that the contents of the internal memo were “Secret” and not to be shared outside of MoD. Well the cat is out of the bag now. Is this a further example of an MoD cover up? I get the point that they don’t want to spread alarm. But....
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Had a friend who died recently of Mesathioloma (asbestos related), I am a bit sensitive
to this. Diagnosis to death less than 2 years. Lots of people have looked at my lungs so I suppose
I am Ok, but still 24 years working together ?
to this. Diagnosis to death less than 2 years. Lots of people have looked at my lungs so I suppose
I am Ok, but still 24 years working together ?
Pretty much everyone who worked on C-130K will have come into contact with asbestos, especially as the aircraft aged. Conditioning packs, windblast and vibration are not good bedfellows for asbestos fibres. More like an asbestos snow globe.
Still, probably more threat from the damaged facilities we have all occupied in the Balkans / Africa / Gulf etc.
Still, probably more threat from the damaged facilities we have all occupied in the Balkans / Africa / Gulf etc.
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Ex Seaking Mech here. I made this prune account because I am interested in finding out where it was.
I dread to think it was either the drip tray, sound panel bags, tail thermal barrier or honeycomb walkway as these were always ripped and/or smashed to bits but since they are not concerned with flying crew I doubt it was. If it was these loads of people would be coming down with the illness. I'd also be a bit worried if anyone said it was inside the engine door lining as yet again this was getting ripped apart when the door latched jammed and loads of people exposed. If it was brakes or another specific component then exposure is gonna be pretty limited to dudes ripping em out. Cabin heating and bleed air gaskets would be pretty bad too.
I dread to think it was either the drip tray, sound panel bags, tail thermal barrier or honeycomb walkway as these were always ripped and/or smashed to bits but since they are not concerned with flying crew I doubt it was. If it was these loads of people would be coming down with the illness. I'd also be a bit worried if anyone said it was inside the engine door lining as yet again this was getting ripped apart when the door latched jammed and loads of people exposed. If it was brakes or another specific component then exposure is gonna be pretty limited to dudes ripping em out. Cabin heating and bleed air gaskets would be pretty bad too.
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Thank God the pilots are ok. Did my time on the mighty S king and before that the Wessex, I imagine they were ok or they would have told us,....... Wouldn't they?
Involves crews as well that may have done flight servicing
2018DIN06-025 refers