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New Iranian fighter

Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:38
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New Iranian fighter

Hopefully this time it won't be moved to JB.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-...-jet-1.6406712

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/2...ghter-jet.html

Russian engine I presume?
What do you guys think?
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 15:46
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It's a Northrop F-5F Tiger II

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 16:10
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New to the Iranians....old kit to the Western Air Forces.

Should hostilities kick off....they become instant scrap metal.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:24
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It's a Mig 28, nobody has been that close before .

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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 17:50
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They roll it out to the press as a “new” fighter about once every 3 years - must stop the tyres getting flat spots.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 18:09
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Those of us who have flown DACT against them will recall that they are by no means easy meat, especially WVR.....
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 18:18
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One always plays to the Enemy's weakness.....not to their strength.....right?

Compare the capability of the F-22, F-35, and even the venerable F-15 and F-18 to this Iranian aircraft and consider what an engagement would look like.

The Iranians would never even get WVR if the Tactics are correct.
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Old 22nd Aug 2018, 18:36
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I saw a clip on BBC showing an F-5 and was confused ... I was expecting their Airfix Stealth jet!

Q: I assume they run out of airframes before run out of Mx?
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Well at least the guy in front has the decency to have his head bowed in shame when the picture was taken......
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 06:38
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I know it's funny to tout the F5 as a 4th Gen aircraft, it clearly isn't, but I do respect the Iranians talent at keeping their fleet of mid=-70s ac going considering they've had no OEM support since the revolution. As for taking Northrop's venerable little fighter and conducting a major modification to the vertical tail to produce the Saeqeh there must be some talent in country, whether home-grown or imported. Even the F14s remain(ed) viable for a considerable period after the split from the west.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 06:39
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Of course the Iranian thingy could be a scam where they've taken an old F-5F and dolled it up a bit. Not sure the Iranians are up to making J-85's from scratch!
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 07:04
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Better thread on IN thanks to the inimical TEEEJ.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 07:29
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According to the Aviationist - https://theaviationist.com/2018/08/2...ed-f-5f-tiger/

The F5 was the testbed for the upgraded cockpit and avionics - the actual aircraft wasn't ready to be unveiled.
Makes you wonder why they made the announcement without the actual aircraft there.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:21
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Makes you wonder why they made the announcement without the actual aircraft there.

...just maybe it doesn't really exist! Disinformation, ruses and other tricks are all used in "warfare"...
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 12:22
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The F5 was the testbed for the upgraded cockpit and avionics - the actual aircraft wasn't ready to be unveiled.
Which would be logical if they revealed shots of the cockpit avionics and none of the airframe - instead of the other way round.....
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 15:16
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Originally Posted by DirtyProp View Post
Hopefully this time it won't be moved to JB.
Russian engine I presume? What do you guys think?
No, not a Russian engine. The engine is an Iranian OWJ (Zenith), which is a reversed engineered copy of the J-85 which powers the F-5 series of fighters. Iran "unveiled" the OWJ engine back in early 2017. And this "domestic" aircraft is itself a modified F-5.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/meet-...engine.474439/
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 15:58
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend View Post
...just maybe it doesn't really exist! Disinformation, ruses and other tricks are all used in "warfare"...
This is the aircraft that they were planning to unveil. The Kowsar.


Essentially based on the Taiwanese AIDC AT-3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDC_AT-3
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Old 26th Aug 2018, 21:51
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The Iranians lost a F5 today, unfortunately the pilot didn't survive.
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