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Old 26th Jun 2018, 09:11
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In order to make things work even without understanding any stenciled language they had colored positioning dots on every panel opening and on every screw to make sure everything gets set up and locked right.
And the RAF, once upon a time engine disconnect points, hose couplings, control attachments, mounts etc were painted yellow.
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I know somebody at some german military a/c heavy maintenance facility. They had designed hatches and stuff asymmetric, so you could only mount things in the proper way. At least they had thought so.
It turned out "frontline" personel managed to still put things on with the wrong orientation by using a little violence and ignoring to just look at how misfitting their configuration was.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
I know somebody at some german military a/c heavy maintenance facility. They had designed hatches and stuff asymmetric, so you could only mount things in the proper way. At least they had thought so.
It turned out "frontline" personel managed to still put things on with the wrong orientation by using a little violence and ignoring to just look at how misfitting their configuration was.
Shades of a US Chinook combining box fitment.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01
I don’t know about English stencilling, but I’ve always wondered why Russian / Soviet cockpits were all some gopping shade of blue? Is it supposed to be relaxing??!!
Agree about gopping. I wonder if there was some Western aircraft that had that colour and they copied it? Apparently when they copied the first B29 it was identical right down to the paint colour and a random hole in the wing. A second aircraft i n side was a different colour and a third was half the first and half the second. But Stalin had said identical so identical it was.

I am not too sure I liked British black crackle.
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IIRC the Russians did quite a bit of work on cockpit layouts etc. They determined that blue was the best colour to see dials against.

oddly or maybe not ​​Microsoft came to much the same conclusion and some of us will remember that colour as a background on various editions of Windows....
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Originally Posted by Transall
Hi,

Ours was 7.62x51 theirs 7.62x39 (well, I think 39 but it was definitely the shorter one).
That x51 and x39 being the length of the cartridge in mm (so, not including the bullet), their chamber would have been shorter.
Jamming our round in there would not have gone well.
Very likely we could have chambered their rounds.

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Indeed - 7.62 short. Whoever called the SLR a blunderbuss hasn’t spent enough quality time with one Apart from it’s obvious drawbacks, it was very accurate at a decent range. Apparently the NVA troops preferred to ambush the Americans. The theory being that you’d more likely crawl away from a 5.56 wound. A 7.62 - not so much.

We (the west, NATO) used the 81mm mortar round. They the 82mm. The same story was told about them being able to use our rounds. I’ve never made the attempt, nor met anyone game enough to try. Dropping that round down the tube would have been an act of faith.
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I didn't call it a blunderbus, I called it a musket. I had plenty of time using them, agreed, accurate with the ability to open ones beer and a good range, something the current musket lacks, which when the opposition out ranges you can be a problem as I believe we found out in recent excursions into the sun.

Just not the ideal weapon in my eyes for airfield defence because if you were shooting at intruders on the airfield any missed rounds would be going into the other squadrons site.
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Just not the ideal weapon in my eyes for airfield defence because if you were shooting at intruders on the airfield any missed rounds would be going into the other squadrons site.
This was the subject of some debate back in the 70s. The suggestion was that Ground Defence personnel, inside the wire, should be armed with shotguns to minimise the risk of collateral damage. Indeed, this was my chosen subject for my presentation on some course or other back then (OJMC, perhaps?). The average airman would be able to snap-shoot accurately with an SLR at anything much smaller than a hangar door
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This was the subject of some debate back in the 70s. The suggestion was that Ground Defence personnel, inside the wire, should be armed with shotguns to minimise the risk of collateral damage. Indeed, this was my chosen subject for my presentation on some course or other back then (OJMC, perhaps?). The average airman would be able to snap-shoot accurately with an SLR at anything much smaller than a hangar door
There were 2 articles in Air Clues arguing the point that pump action shotguns would be a lot better than SLRs - one of the reasons being as MPN11 states. author was a rock Sqn Ldr - with a polish surname.
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I preferred the SMG. More bullets and a better range than shotgun.
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Nick Jaziniski, I suspect. I knew him through Bisley competitions.
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The SMG was good for flying seagulls, I dreaded to think the damage I would have caused with an SLR fighting off the bad guys at Brize, there would be fuel everywhere.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
The SMG was good for flying seagulls, I dreaded to think the damage I would have caused with an SLR fighting off the bad guys at Brize, there would be fuel everywhere.
Which is why Nick recommended shotguns.
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Speaking of stenciling the obvious, this is an RPG and the arrow means ROCKET COMES OUT THIS END YOU FOOL

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I remember the picture of Dan Quale holding an RPG 7 launcher back to front.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I didn't call it a blunderbus, I called it a musket. I had plenty of time using them, agreed, accurate with the ability to open ones beer and a good range, something the current musket lacks, which when the opposition out ranges you can be a problem as I believe we found out in recent excursions into the sun.

Just not the ideal weapon in my eyes for airfield defence because if you were shooting at intruders on the airfield any missed rounds would be going into the other squadrons site.
You’re correct. My mistake. No idea where “blunderbuss” came from We transitioning to the Steyr Aug. A shockingly good decision (for a military acquisition). One of the best weapons of its type, and a total shock that a government made such such a sound decision. A remarkable weapon; to the extent that they had to rewrite the marksmanship standards.


I preferred the SMG. More bullets and a better range than shotgun.
Hilarious
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Speaking of stenciling the obvious, this is an RPG and the arrow means ROCKET COMES OUT THIS END YOU FOOL


Yeah, those funny eastern block simpletons





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Originally Posted by Haraka
I remember the picture of Dan Quale holding an RPG 7 launcher back to front.

Thats ‘Quayle’


If you’re going to make fun of him
check your spelling


Although he never did !
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JPJP,

I think the warnings on the back of the Claymore are even more amusing!

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That'​​​s Quayle ( ) holding an RPG 7 launcher. I'll leave you to guess which way round. Also an expert on the spelling of "potato" I believe......

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