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RAF Beards...?

Old 3rd Aug 2019, 05:17
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Originally Posted by Melchett01 View Post


Oh deep joy. We’re going to be knee deep in SF and SAD operator impersonators. You just know there’ll be one on every camp.
Surely SF will now have to go for a clean shaven / clean cut look in order to differentiate themselves...
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 19:27
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Originally Posted by GlassCollector View Post
Surely SF will now have to go for a clean shaven / clean cut look in order to differentiate themselves...
You may or may not be surprised when I say that not only do military personnel stand out in a crowd, you can generally identify the tribe quite easily. Assuming we haven’t all gone to seed, officers tend to be reasonably slim and favour running. ORs tend to favour the weights and so are more muscular. Army officers often go with very traditional attire whilst RAF officers are obvious off duty the usual blue shirt/chinos combo. SF types tend to go for the outdooorsey look with a swagger, easy smile and ready confidence, and when on Ops standout an absolute mile due to their lack of rank or badges on uniform. And Harrier pilots (this was told to me a while back) are obvious because they tell you within the first 2 minutes.

And that was the view of a FCO chapess I was having drinks with on det a while back!

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 14:57
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Beards shipmate!

i see that from 1st September RAF personnel will be allowed beards. Pull pin and stand clear!
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 15:00
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That might be ok for the girls but, what about the blokes ?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 15:54
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Already discussed here: RAF Beards...?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:29
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That was discussing folks in the past raf who for one reason or another had beards. This was released this week saying all serving personnel could have them. I just reckoned it needed a thread. However if mods want to merge feel free.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:31
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It’s News but I guess the merge makes sense to some.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 16:41
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What's good enough for Prince Harry..

One reason that "Cold War" beards were not allowed was that the NBC respirator couldn't be guaranteed to seal over a beard. Those "Work of the devil" AR5 Respirators would be OK though - it you could operate efficiently with your head inside a rubber bag, with jets of cold air blowing into your eyes, that is.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 17:09
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I went to a wedding a year ago,where the groom,an RAF pilot in uniform,was wearing a full (ginger) set.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 20:36
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Originally Posted by ex82watcher View Post
I went to a wedding a year ago,where the groom,an RAF pilot in uniform,was wearing a full (ginger) set.
According to the BBC, he had a note from his mum. Or should that be his mam?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 20:45
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Gizmo,It was not THAT wedding !
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremmen View Post
That might be ok for the girls but, what about the blokes ?
Really?

The 1950's just called, apparently they want their sexist back.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 05:39
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Confirmation that there is nothing military whatsoever about the RAF.

RN...tradition at sea.
Army..med reasons only.
RAF...to widen the pool of civvy recruits that can recruit more civvies in uniform from.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 05:50
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FFS when will the hierarchy open their eyes and realise that it’s not this sort of shit that will improve recruitment. What will improve it is honouring the Military Covenant, giving the forces the funds to do their job, and increasing the manpower to allow the things that used to make the military an enjoyable and worthwhile “career” and not the short term “job” that it has become. And whist you’re at it bring back Crown Indemnity.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 05:58
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If we’re talking Aircrew there is no recruitment problem - we’re awash with great recruits. The issue for this cadre in recent years has been training them with a training system designed in 2003, wound back in SDSR10 and then wound back up again in SDSR15. Then in 2017 replacing just about every training aircraft type, simulator and syllabus in about an 18 month window. Guess what? It’s been a total cluster! It’s finally just starting to start churning out what we need.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:27
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will serving personnel be issued with a non permanent marker pen for their id's so they can draw a beard for the days they can't be arsed to shave. ��
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 07:37
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Wee Stevie, one of 56(F)'s navigators in the early '80s, went flying one night, leaving his car keys, F1250, cash etc. in his SD cap in the locker room....

Came the next day and as he showed his F1250 to the lad on the gate, the latter burst out laughing. "What's so funny, airman?" asked WS....

To which the lad merely showed him the F1250 - a little chinagraph work (courtesy of J***y U**n ?) had transformed it with beard, glasses, long hair and devil's horns. He did at least see the funny side!

Back in the '60s, a chap at some nuclear research place got fed up with being required to wear a photo ID on his coat whilst at work. So he modified it with a different photograph....

...of Nikita Kruschev! It was several weeks before this was noticed, whereupon he was promptly invited to find a new job.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 09:19
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Originally Posted by BEagle View Post
Wee Stevie, one of 56(F)'s navigators in the early '80s, went flying one night, leaving his car keys, F1250, cash etc. in his SD cap in the locker room....

Came the next day and as he showed his F1250 to the lad on the gate, the latter burst out laughing. "What's so funny, airman?" asked WS....

To which the lad merely showed him the F1250 - a little chinagraph work (courtesy of J***y U**n ?) had transformed it with beard, glasses, long hair and devil's horns. He did at least see the funny side!

Back in the '60s, a chap at some nuclear research place got fed up with being required to wear a photo ID on his coat whilst at work. So he modified it with a different photograph....

...of Nikita Kruschev! It was several weeks before this was noticed, whereupon he was promptly invited to find a new job.

had a West Indian mate who worked in the SSA at laarbruch in the 70's, his pass had colour of eyes black, colour of hair blue. Nobody noticed for weeks, the police didn't see the funny side.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 10:46
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Are the thoughts behind this to encourage more people from minority communities where beards are traditional (rather than a religious requirememt, such as Sikhism) - so potentially more recruits from Arab/South Asian predominantly Muslim backgrounds. Or are they after the hipster youth of today?

Be interested to see if beards are accepted at intial entry, as I understand RN requirements are for clean shaven at that point.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 11:09
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Harri S...h on 36IOT in 1979 had been recoursed to us due to various problems that were not anything to do with his ability or confidence. Harri decided on being recourse that he would play them at their own game and had turban, beard etc. Great guy who went on to fly Hercs, sadly a bit too low over Swindon.
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