Chief of the Defence Staff goes all PC
In the late 1970s at Coningsby my The then DWRAF paid a visit to the Phantom OCU flight line. She asked if I had any qualms about employing WRAF there, adding “that I just had to make certain that they were not given tasks beyond their physical capability”. I replied “Excuse me Ma’am, I was not aware that I should task anyone with anything beyond their capability. Anyway, I already have 2 girls working here”.
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I remember having an ethnicity and diversity brief. The first thing the Lecturer asked was "why do you think the RAF does this"?
The audience reply was "just to cover their own arse".
There's a fine line between saying something and meaning it.
The audience reply was "just to cover their own arse".
There's a fine line between saying something and meaning it.
I read this article.
If correct, and it seems so, I'm glad I have left the Armed Forces. For it to go all PC (Let's hug a tree), insist on broad selection of Gays, Lesbians and ethnic minorities, regardless of their ability, will end in a degradation of the Armed Forces. We have already seen word that NCOs cannot shout at recruits but treat them 'very nicely'. Will we see the request, 'I say Private, would you please kindly pop over that parapet and engage the enemy?' Maybe the reply will be, Sorry, I'm washing my hair this evening.
If correct, and it seems so, I'm glad I have left the Armed Forces. For it to go all PC (Let's hug a tree), insist on broad selection of Gays, Lesbians and ethnic minorities, regardless of their ability, will end in a degradation of the Armed Forces. We have already seen word that NCOs cannot shout at recruits but treat them 'very nicely'. Will we see the request, 'I say Private, would you please kindly pop over that parapet and engage the enemy?' Maybe the reply will be, Sorry, I'm washing my hair this evening.
sharpend,
So you don't like gays eh? I'm glad that you have left too.
Try watching any of the myriad of recruiting programmes from all of the services over the last few years to see what nonsense your "non shouting NCO's" is.
As to your casual homophobia re stereotypes....
So you don't like gays eh? I'm glad that you have left too.
Try watching any of the myriad of recruiting programmes from all of the services over the last few years to see what nonsense your "non shouting NCO's" is.
As to your casual homophobia re stereotypes....
sharpend,
So you don't like gays eh? I'm glad that you have left too.
Try watching any of the myriad of recruiting programmes from all of the services over the last few years to see what nonsense your "non shouting NCO's" is.
As to your casual homophobia re stereotypes....
So you don't like gays eh? I'm glad that you have left too.
Try watching any of the myriad of recruiting programmes from all of the services over the last few years to see what nonsense your "non shouting NCO's" is.
As to your casual homophobia re stereotypes....
I have a number of friends who are indeed gay. You totally misunderstood my point which was that one should ONLY recruit the best, but not just by targets of numbers of gays, white, blacks, asians, women, men etc. That would be just like the parliamentary constituency that only allows asian women to stand as an MP. If one restricts the pool of applicants one lowers the standards. I am not homophobic and resent your remarks. Moreover, I categorically can say that I have no problem with gays, lesbians, whites, blacks or asians. The only people I dislike are bullies, louts, rude people, liars, cheats and especially people who are personally abusive to others on social media, even if they are ignorant of the facts.
Sharpend,
From your words.
From your words.
Richard Littlejohn wrote a satirical piece in todays Daily Mail here:
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Celebrating diversity, lovely boy? Oh dear, how sad, never mind! | Daily Mail Online
RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Celebrating diversity, lovely boy? Oh dear, how sad, never mind! | Daily Mail Online
I know it's from Britain's equivalent of Völkischer Beobachter, but....
Is there any truth in that?
The military is already hamstrung by ambulance-chasing ‘yuman rites’ spiv law firms.
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Times do change slowly, I remember reading orders that an airman could be put on a 'Punishment diet of one pound of bread & unlimited water for three days in a row & that was in the late seventies.
At about the same time there was a notice about guarding explosives & it said that 'If the airman is illiterate' the instructions must be carefully explained to him'.
This was late seventies & I'm not making this **** up, it's true!
At about the same time there was a notice about guarding explosives & it said that 'If the airman is illiterate' the instructions must be carefully explained to him'.
This was late seventies & I'm not making this **** up, it's true!
I suspect never, hence one good reason why it perhaps isn't available to C.Os with even the most outrageous sense of humour. My take on Sir Nick Carter is, as has been said elsewhere on this thread, he's just catching up with the times.
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The Armed Forces needn't make an extra special effort to recruit from certain sections of the population. Its enough that all can join and subject to meeting the requirements on physical limitations and of aptitude and competence, will find an appropriate post to fill. It is the pro-diverse lobby that seem to want to make it a goal to restructure the entire image, make up (no pun intended) and dare I say ethos and culture of the armed forces comprehensively. Hence it is not good enough to just remove all restrictions and apply the logic of 'if you can make it you'll get it!' The political enforcement of political correctness is unnecessary and damaging.
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PS I would further observe that the political camp (again no pun intended) from which political correctness hails from is that which has never felt happy with even the existence of a standing military posture. They've also been at odds with any form of established authority and order, including the Police and Courts.
FB
PS I would further observe that the political camp (again no pun intended) from which political correctness hails from is that which has never felt happy with even the existence of a standing military posture. They've also been at odds with any form of established authority and order, including the Police and Courts.
When I was a 16yo apprentice engineer (yes, yes, I know I have a long memory!) we had a very obviously gay engineer (think Benny Hill) return from doing his National Service in the Army. Didn't get him out of NS even though it was then illegal both in civ & mil.
No-one at work was vexed by his orientation so perhaps we were PC then and all the liberals for the past few decades have been jumping on a bandwagon which has been rolling for centuries.
No-one at work was vexed by his orientation so perhaps we were PC then and all the liberals for the past few decades have been jumping on a bandwagon which has been rolling for centuries.
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Ah yes sir, but, how often at that time was this regulation acted upon?
I suspect never, hence one good reason why it perhaps isn't available to C.Os with even the most outrageous sense of humour. My take on Sir Nick Carter is, as has been said elsewhere on this thread, he's just catching up with the times.
FB
I suspect never, hence one good reason why it perhaps isn't available to C.Os with even the most outrageous sense of humour. My take on Sir Nick Carter is, as has been said elsewhere on this thread, he's just catching up with the times.
FB
I never heard of the 'Punishment diet being implemented either, but it was definitely on the books. The RN used to flog naughty sailors with a big stick, up to at least 1969 & I don't know if that option is still on the books.
I was still at school in 69 when a former schoolmate paid us a visit from HMS Ganges to give us a talk about life there. He told us that if one misbehaved badly, one would get flogged on the buttocks with a huge cane. I know that some pay good money for that sort of thing, but I decided to join the RAF instead. I was tempted by the 'Rum ration' but even that's gone now!
I never heard of the 'Punishment diet being implemented either, but it was definitely on the books. The RN used to flog naughty sailors with a big stick, up to at least 1969 & I don't know if that option is still on the books.
I was still at school in 69 when a former schoolmate paid us a visit from HMS Ganges to give us a talk about life there. He told us that if one misbehaved badly, one would get flogged on the buttocks with a huge cane. I know that some pay good money for that sort of thing, but I decided to join the RAF instead. I was tempted by the 'Rum ration' but even that's gone now!
I was still at school in 69 when a former schoolmate paid us a visit from HMS Ganges to give us a talk about life there. He told us that if one misbehaved badly, one would get flogged on the buttocks with a huge cane. I know that some pay good money for that sort of thing, but I decided to join the RAF instead. I was tempted by the 'Rum ration' but even that's gone now!
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I read this article.
If correct, and it seems so, I'm glad I have left the Armed Forces. For it to go all PC (Let's hug a tree), insist on broad selection of Gays, Lesbians and ethnic minorities, regardless of their ability, will end in a degradation of the Armed Forces. We have already seen word that NCOs cannot shout at recruits but treat them 'very nicely'. Will we see the request, 'I say Private, would you please kindly pop over that parapet and engage the enemy?' Maybe the reply will be, Sorry, I'm washing my hair this evening.
If correct, and it seems so, I'm glad I have left the Armed Forces. For it to go all PC (Let's hug a tree), insist on broad selection of Gays, Lesbians and ethnic minorities, regardless of their ability, will end in a degradation of the Armed Forces. We have already seen word that NCOs cannot shout at recruits but treat them 'very nicely'. Will we see the request, 'I say Private, would you please kindly pop over that parapet and engage the enemy?' Maybe the reply will be, Sorry, I'm washing my hair this evening.
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