RCAF Hornet replacement.
I guess not.
I think the X has a mission (Large Missile Carrier for VLO Fighters) which only very few big air forces can afford. One such carrier is probably enough for those few air forces (USAF, IAF?) which can and will afford such a mix. In Europe, typically the EF will take over this role for those Air Forces which are big enough for a mixed fleet (RAF, Aeronatica Militare, In future to some extent GAF) and are having/getting the F-35.
In any case he's due for a nice Christmas Gift by LM this Year and the 'best Salesman of the Year' award.
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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023...cf-18s-retire/
Canada strikes deal to buy F-35s from Lockheed, as CF-18s retire
WASHINGTON — Canada on Monday announced plans to buy 88 F-35A Joint Strike Fighters for CA$19 billion (U.S. $14 billion).
Defence Minister Anita Anand said in an online briefing the Royal Canadian Air Force would receive its first four Lockheed Martin-made F-35s in 2026, with the next six in 2027 and another six in 2028. The remainder would come in subsequent years.
The fifth-generation fighters will replace Canada’s current fleet of CF-18 Hornets, the Royal Canadian Air Force’s version of the F/A-18, Anand said. Canada expects the full F-35 fleet to be delivered in time for the service to phase the older fighters out by the end of 2032….
Canada will ensure its F-35s have drag chute capabilities to land on “short, icy, wet Arctic runways,” Anand said, and that its fighters have true north navigation capabilities, rather than magnetic north, to allow it to fly accurately deep into the Arctic.
Anand said Canada will build operational and training squadron facilities, including maintenance bays and simulator training, at two of its military bases: Bagotville in Quebec and Cold Lake in Alberta.
Anand also said Canada is investing in a series of infrastructure upgrades nationwide to better support North American Aerospace Defense Command and F-35 operations….
Canada strikes deal to buy F-35s from Lockheed, as CF-18s retire
WASHINGTON — Canada on Monday announced plans to buy 88 F-35A Joint Strike Fighters for CA$19 billion (U.S. $14 billion).
Defence Minister Anita Anand said in an online briefing the Royal Canadian Air Force would receive its first four Lockheed Martin-made F-35s in 2026, with the next six in 2027 and another six in 2028. The remainder would come in subsequent years.
The fifth-generation fighters will replace Canada’s current fleet of CF-18 Hornets, the Royal Canadian Air Force’s version of the F/A-18, Anand said. Canada expects the full F-35 fleet to be delivered in time for the service to phase the older fighters out by the end of 2032….
Canada will ensure its F-35s have drag chute capabilities to land on “short, icy, wet Arctic runways,” Anand said, and that its fighters have true north navigation capabilities, rather than magnetic north, to allow it to fly accurately deep into the Arctic.
Anand said Canada will build operational and training squadron facilities, including maintenance bays and simulator training, at two of its military bases: Bagotville in Quebec and Cold Lake in Alberta.
Anand also said Canada is investing in a series of infrastructure upgrades nationwide to better support North American Aerospace Defense Command and F-35 operations….
AAR?
If they're going to fly 'deep into the Arctic', presumably they'll need some AAR support?
So will the CC-150T be phased out early in favour of a new boom-equipped Canadian tanker? Or will the CF-35A fleet be fitted with probes?
So will the CC-150T be phased out early in favour of a new boom-equipped Canadian tanker? Or will the CF-35A fleet be fitted with probes?
Last edited by BEagle; 9th Jan 2023 at 23:22.
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2017239107693
The current government promised to scrap the F-35 program in 2015
The current government promised to scrap the F-35 program in 2015
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According to the reports, Canada expects its first CF-35A at least 2 years before its 4 x A330MRTT (contract yet to be placed) could be in service.
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According to LM the fuselage space used by the probe in the B has been left vacant in the A so a probe can be installed if requested by a customer. What price they’d charge for an6 flight testing would doubtless be added to their bill.
I am sure the US would be happy to provide AAR to cover any capability gap until new tankers arrive if asked.
I am sure the US would be happy to provide AAR to cover any capability gap until new tankers arrive if asked.
According to LM the fuselage space used by the probe in the B has been left vacant in the A so a probe can be installed if requested by a customer. What price they’d charge for an6 flight testing would doubtless be added to their bill.
I am sure the US would be happy to provide AAR to cover any capability gap until new tankers arrive if asked.
I am sure the US would be happy to provide AAR to cover any capability gap until new tankers arrive if asked.
Norway had the drag chute installed at its own expense, but doubtless an internal AAR probe would be more complex/expensive and not worth the investment given the new MRTTs aren't that far off.
Omega Air has a boom-equipped KDC-10, so perhaps that might be an option.
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I’d point out the CF-35 in the original proposed contract had both chute and probe. Canada has ended up without either at, presumably, a higher price.
On the other hand, as early models can’t be upgraded to Block 4 standard, they may actually have ended up with a better deal….
On the other hand, as early models can’t be upgraded to Block 4 standard, they may actually have ended up with a better deal….
Last edited by ORAC; 11th Jan 2023 at 10:28. Reason: Typo
Although only been used as tankers for about 14 years, they've been in RCAF service since 1992 as transports, and were second hand then (Delivered mid 80s IIRC) so they are not youthful airframes
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https://aviationweek.com/defense-spa...-fighter-needs
Australia Starts Looking Beyond The F-35 For Next-Gen Fighter Needs
Australia has started looking for options beyond the Lockheed Martin F-35A for its future fighter fleet, as interest in the next generation of air combat technology increasingly encroaches on funding available for existing aircraft.
The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) currently operates four fighter squadrons, with three already flying F-35As and the fourth composed of Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets. The last in that list had been expected to be replaced by a fourth squadron of F-35As to be ordered and delivered by the end of the decade, but that plan is no longer guaranteed.
“What the fourth squadron of F-35s has become is the Super Hornet replacement, not just [a plan to buy] the fourth squadron of F-35s,” RAAF Air Marshal Robert Chipman told Aviation Week at the Global Air and Space Chiefs’ Conference in London July 12-13.
Instead, the RAAF plans to upgrade and extend the service life of the Super Hornet squadron before replacing those aircraft in the mid-2030s. The new replacement schedule means the RAAF will have more options than only F-35As, including a new generation of uncrewed collaborative combat aircraft (CCA) and crewed fighters scheduled to be fielded in the mid-2030s by the U.S. and a UK/Italy/Japan consortium.
“We will look at the F-35, and we’re very, very comfortable and very happy with the capability of the F-35,” Chipman said. “But it would be remiss of me not to look at what else is available for us to replace our Super Hornets in the future.”
The options include the U.S. Next-Generation Air Dominance program and the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP), which in 2022 merged the UK-led BAE Systems Tempest and Japan’s Mitsubishi F-X projects into a common aircraft system. The French/German/Spanish Future Combat Air System program plans to field a crewed fighter in 2040, which is possibly beyond Australia’s ideal time frame.
Through the tripartite AUKUS security pact, Australia is already partnered with the U.S. and UK to receive nuclear-powered submarines and collaborate on certain advanced technologies, such as hypersonic propulsion, autonomy, quantum technologies, cybertools and electronic warfare.
GCAP officials also view the AUKUS pact as a potential path for sharing next-generation combat aircraft technology from the UK to Australia, Richard Berthon, the UK Defense Ministry's director of Future Combat Air, said in addressing the same conference.
“I think there’s an interesting future in which you can see combat air and GCAP developing,” Berthon said. “I think AUKUS is a fantastic foundation, obviously focused in a different domain to what we are focused on today, but the nations are considering opportunities for broadening the partnership.”…..
Australia Starts Looking Beyond The F-35 For Next-Gen Fighter Needs
Australia has started looking for options beyond the Lockheed Martin F-35A for its future fighter fleet, as interest in the next generation of air combat technology increasingly encroaches on funding available for existing aircraft.
The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) currently operates four fighter squadrons, with three already flying F-35As and the fourth composed of Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets. The last in that list had been expected to be replaced by a fourth squadron of F-35As to be ordered and delivered by the end of the decade, but that plan is no longer guaranteed.
“What the fourth squadron of F-35s has become is the Super Hornet replacement, not just [a plan to buy] the fourth squadron of F-35s,” RAAF Air Marshal Robert Chipman told Aviation Week at the Global Air and Space Chiefs’ Conference in London July 12-13.
Instead, the RAAF plans to upgrade and extend the service life of the Super Hornet squadron before replacing those aircraft in the mid-2030s. The new replacement schedule means the RAAF will have more options than only F-35As, including a new generation of uncrewed collaborative combat aircraft (CCA) and crewed fighters scheduled to be fielded in the mid-2030s by the U.S. and a UK/Italy/Japan consortium.
“We will look at the F-35, and we’re very, very comfortable and very happy with the capability of the F-35,” Chipman said. “But it would be remiss of me not to look at what else is available for us to replace our Super Hornets in the future.”
The options include the U.S. Next-Generation Air Dominance program and the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP), which in 2022 merged the UK-led BAE Systems Tempest and Japan’s Mitsubishi F-X projects into a common aircraft system. The French/German/Spanish Future Combat Air System program plans to field a crewed fighter in 2040, which is possibly beyond Australia’s ideal time frame.
Through the tripartite AUKUS security pact, Australia is already partnered with the U.S. and UK to receive nuclear-powered submarines and collaborate on certain advanced technologies, such as hypersonic propulsion, autonomy, quantum technologies, cybertools and electronic warfare.
GCAP officials also view the AUKUS pact as a potential path for sharing next-generation combat aircraft technology from the UK to Australia, Richard Berthon, the UK Defense Ministry's director of Future Combat Air, said in addressing the same conference.
“I think there’s an interesting future in which you can see combat air and GCAP developing,” Berthon said. “I think AUKUS is a fantastic foundation, obviously focused in a different domain to what we are focused on today, but the nations are considering opportunities for broadening the partnership.”…..
