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Old 28th Nov 2017, 10:45
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Britains contribution to nuclear weapons

While I have read a number of books and watched several documentaries on this subject, I never really fully understood Britain's contribution to the early understanding and later, the Manhattan project.

I may be late to the party but I found this paper from the RAF Museum, a most absorbing read...

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Well that was a really interesting link - but one on aviation medicine not nuclear weapons
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Sorry Chris, Stubby finger problem..

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If by "early understanding" you mean the physics then the work prior to World War 2 was so multi national it is kind of hard to unravel which nation contributed what in the way of understanding....early on at at the start of it all you have the likes of Chadwick and Thomson, and I'm pretty sure a Brit, or Brit supplied (see below) explosives "expert" was heavily influential in the design and/or engineering of the Plutonium implosion weapon but darned if I can remember the name at the moment. IMHO the best primer is probably Richard Rhode's on work "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" but it's tough following all the nationalities.

Of course you also have to consider the influence of those Europeans who Britain sheltered prior to WW2 who went on to make significant contributions to the A bomb (e.g. Fuchs), and the H bomb (e.g err Fuchs....for both sides).

It's a complex bit of history, that's for sure.......Rhodes has done as good a job as anybody at depicting what went on...
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If by "early understanding" you mean the physics then the work prior to World War 2 was so multi national it is kind of hard to unravel which nation contributed what in the way of understanding....early on at at the start of it all you have the likes of Chadwick and Thomson, and I'm pretty sure a Brit, or Brit supplied (see below) explosives "expert" was heavily influential in the design and/or engineering of the Plutonium implosion weapon but darned if I can remember the name at the moment. IMHO the best primer is probably Richard Rhode's on work "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" but it's tough following all the nationalities.

Of course you also have to consider the influence of those Europeans who Britain sheltered prior to WW2 who went on to make significant contributions to the A bomb (e.g. Fuchs), and the H bomb (e.g err Fuchs....for both sides).

It's a complex bit of history, that's for sure.......Rhodes has done as good a job as anybody at depicting what went on...
Don't forget the man who started it all, Sir Ernest Rutherford.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

How he would have felt about the development of his discoveries is unkown obviously.
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It's a complex bit of history, that's for sure.......Rhodes has done as good a job as anybody at depicting what went on...
+1 for Richard Rhodes's book, "The Making of the Atomic Bomb". It's a wonderful synthesis of history, physics and engineering. He also wrote "Dark Sun" which is a history of the thermonuclear bomb and "Arsenals of Folly" about the post-war arms race and the end of the Cold War.
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Don't forget the man who started it all, Sir Ernest Rutherford.
I hadn't..but given the context of the thread didn't want to start an argument with any Kiwis....
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'The Making of the Atomic Bomb'
Isn't that the highly readable book which describes Fermi's reactor with a bucket/buckets of cadmium something being held ready to chuck over it if it ran away?
Heroes or Darwin award candidates?

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Likewise from me! Interesting stuff !
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What am I doing wrong?.....

.....I tried googling "the making of the atom bomb" but all I got was a book by one Victoria Sherrow not the gent referred to here.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ma...he_Atomic_Bomb

The big South American river company sell it.
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Ahem.....

.....I just did it again and keeps on with Victoria Sherrow

Hang on! I got to it by just putting his name alone. But it's a tad expensive for the kindle edition. I'll pass. But thanks for the tip.

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Try and acquire the official histories - Britain and Atomic Energy 1939–1945 and Independence and Deterrence: Britain and Atomic Energy 1945–52.
Both were commissioned by the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority, Margaret Gowing was involved with both.
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Rossian - you realise that as a result of your gargle search you are now at the top of Special Branch's watch list. Bang goes your P.V. clearance. On second thoughts, typing bang has probably got me on the list as well.
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.....fortunately one has no need of such a thing these days. Oh! the embarassing questions....... My ears still burn in the dark hours before dawn.

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Let's not forget that Rutherford was actually a Kiwi not a Pom.....
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Ah ha......hence my post #7.

I think the technically correct description (certainly how it is described in biographies etc) is that Lord Rutherford was British, New Zealand born...(due to parentage and possibly nationality rules at the time)
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The big South American river company sell it.
So do Amazon

Rossian - you realise that as a result of your gargle search
Why didn't he try Google?
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There was much for me to consider in both papers although I am reluctant to pursue further knowledge regarding the physics involved, since it is not a subject with which I am intimately familiar.

However, the route to operational readiness and the development of a fully integrated deterrence platform also interests me. When needs must, etc. The subsequent speaker in referring to the Vulcan, and the example given of an operational sortie by a member of a front line crew, is both fascinating and disturbing. The capability of the aircraft to execute the defined task, as it was, seems to have resulted in a quite remarkable fit to purpose. I shall read a little more. The enduring "Vulcan" thread has provided me with considerable information however I have noted background detail in these documents that fills a number of gaps in my own personal experience.

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Lord Rutherford was British, New Zealand born
He was Lord Rutherford of Nelson...

Nelson is his original home town in the South Island of NZ but alas we colonials have always been swept up in the colonial dust bin of Britain...
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