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Finnish Fighter Competition

Old 27th Nov 2017, 20:24
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Originally Posted by KenV View Post
There appears to be some confusion. There's zero doubt that Russia, the US, the UK, France, Germany, China, and basically any nation that exports military gear could and likely would withdraw support of those weapons under certain political conditions. The REAL question is whether those "conditions" are more likely to arise for the Finns from the Americans, the Europeans, or the Russians. The answer is obvious.

And this ignores the difficulty Russian industry has in providing through life support to their own armed forces in the first place. Never mind to export customers.
Actually, export customers provide real money, sometimes better than the national government.
Obviously that can lead to more abuse, requiring expensive overhauls too often a simple example. So careful contracts are essential unless one has ample political clout.
That said, Finland was a Grand Duchy of Russia until 1917, so there are lots of very long term relationships. Finland has prospered as a bridge between Russia and the west, it has no experience as an armed outpost aimed at Russia, not even during the coldest days of the cold war.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 15:23
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As mentioned by the topic starter, an idea regarding F-18 or Grippen looks very reasonable. Either one of the most reliable companies in the world in that business segment (which they have experience with), or a neighbour (that might be transparent for them to a large extent).

And I do not see any "militaristic" aspect here at all. If they were really afraid of "Russian invasion", they would spend their budget to buy PAC-3, MLRS (against "invading" land forces), Javelins, Apaches and so on, but not fighter aircraft as they cannot intercept modern (or yet to come) missiles and munitions. Looking at the map one can easily see that Russian AF do not need to enter their airspace to strike. Are they (Finns) going to enter ours? I don't think so.

IMHO the reality is that their current fleet is running out of lifespan and a replacement is needed. Nothing more. If they have AF (and not a bad one), they prefer to keep it at a certain level to maintain a certain status.

For Russia, the best option would be their purchase of F-35. Would be a great complimentary add-on for training of radar guys :-)
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 15:56
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"I'm sure Vlad is thankful to you HH for making his argument."

one I've heard from a lot of Finns while working in Helsinki TBH - they have a more nuanced view of their neighbour having spent a lot of time watching them

Dosn't mean to say they wouldn't fight - the Russians know they would so why bother............ taking over Finland isn't going to change any strategic variable that would make the losses worthwhile
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 02:24
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Sorry Van, hard to overlook Vlad's belligerence as a part of the equation.
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Old 13th Sep 2019, 07:01
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Finland Plans War Games for Fighter Contenders

Finland is gearing up to hold a simulated war game to test the candidates for its future fighter requirement. The exercise, dubbed the HX Challenge, will “verify what the candidates have said and promised in their answers,” HX Program Director Lauri Puranen wrote in a blog published on the Finnish Air Force’s website Sept. 9.......

The challenge will test the mettle of five platforms entered into the tender, with the event planned to take place in the depths of the Finnish winter in January-February at Tampere-Pirkkala AB, home to one of the Finnish Air Force’s F/A-18 wings.

Puranen says the that the HX Challenge will only be focused on the technical part of the evaluation and will not “determine the ranking of candidates.” HX candidates are being scored based on security of supply, cost, industrial collaboration and performance........

The call for tenders, ongoing since January, is now in its third and final round, with negotiations due to be completed later this month, Puranen reports. An invitation to tender will be issued by the end of the year, leading to the HX Challenge. A final selection decision will be made in 2021.

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Old 13th Sep 2019, 13:13
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With the Finns and the Swiss independently opting for the F-18C Hornet last time around, it will be interesting to see if both countries again select the same aircraft type once they have concluded their evaluation/selection process this time.
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Old 3rd May 2021, 08:54
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The bids are in.


everyone is coupling something with the offer,
Superhornets with growlers, Gripens with GlobalEyes, F-35's with development/manufacturing, Typhoons with jobs and Rafales with... dunno, red wine?
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