Sorry it's not in stock!!!
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Sorry it's not in stock!!!
Ok, It's time for a moan.
I went down to stores the other day to get some new kit here’s a list of the not in stock items;
Flying boots - according to thick SAC the contracts had been re-allocated!
New flying suits size 6,8 or 12
Old 15 and 15t flying suits
Cold weather jkt
DPM soldier 95 trs and shirt
Union Jack badges
Green flying gloves
Need I say any more?
I had to wait 3 months the last time I ordered my long johns!
What the bloody hell are the Armed Forces doing with all their kit?
Ahh I saw the answer today, ATC cadets on summer camp in nice shiny new kit. Trainees and holding officers in nice shiny new kit. Even a RAFC Cranwell cadet officer in a new shiny flying suit. Come on you airships wake up smell the coffee and take a look around you at the front line workforce in kit that’s falling to bits patched and repaired time and time again.
6yrs and counting ........ time to leave Baldrick
I went down to stores the other day to get some new kit here’s a list of the not in stock items;
Flying boots - according to thick SAC the contracts had been re-allocated!
New flying suits size 6,8 or 12
Old 15 and 15t flying suits
Cold weather jkt
DPM soldier 95 trs and shirt
Union Jack badges
Green flying gloves
Need I say any more?
I had to wait 3 months the last time I ordered my long johns!
What the bloody hell are the Armed Forces doing with all their kit?
Ahh I saw the answer today, ATC cadets on summer camp in nice shiny new kit. Trainees and holding officers in nice shiny new kit. Even a RAFC Cranwell cadet officer in a new shiny flying suit. Come on you airships wake up smell the coffee and take a look around you at the front line workforce in kit that’s falling to bits patched and repaired time and time again.
6yrs and counting ........ time to leave Baldrick
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Oi, Crewman. We’ve got loads-a-money now: Gordon told us. So we’re bound to be able to buy the front-line kit we need.
There’s absolutely no way the spending review bonanza will get lost in earlier debts and commitments – honest.
There’s absolutely no way the spending review bonanza will get lost in earlier debts and commitments – honest.
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Went to clothing stores in feb for some boots. Not in stock.
Returned in March: Same again so "demanded" some.
Informed in June that they will never be in stock so ordered to "demand" new pattern boots, and even fitted for them by the station specialist who had attended a 3 day fitting course.
It is now nearly August, and I am flying with boots so slick that there is a big risk of going arse over tit in any of the numerous positions on the aircraft that require grip.
Health and Safety at Work man where are you? Interestingly he is resigned to be powerless on this one. But all of the above is documented and if I do have a mishap, where there is pain there is a claim!!
YOZZER
Returned in March: Same again so "demanded" some.
Informed in June that they will never be in stock so ordered to "demand" new pattern boots, and even fitted for them by the station specialist who had attended a 3 day fitting course.
It is now nearly August, and I am flying with boots so slick that there is a big risk of going arse over tit in any of the numerous positions on the aircraft that require grip.
Health and Safety at Work man where are you? Interestingly he is resigned to be powerless on this one. But all of the above is documented and if I do have a mishap, where there is pain there is a claim!!
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Yozzer,
If you feel that your boots are in such a bad state that they presently a H&S hazard then you should say so and refuse to fly.
A colleague of mine, several years ago, went into stores to change his sun-glasses only to be told that being rear-end crew he was not entitled to any!! After explaining that on our aircraft the rear-end crew are used for flight safety look outs, hence the reason he was issued with them in the first place, he was still refused a new pair. His answer, he returned to the Squadron, explained the situation to his Flight Commander and said that as a result he was not properly equipped to fly safely and so (although said jokingly) he wouldn't! The result, Flt Cdr on phone to OC Stackers, OC Stackers said that the reason given by his storeman was valid. Flt Cdr onto CO, CO phoned off station, and so on until it all bounced back down to OC Stackers. The result, within the hour my colleague received a phone call from supply "Your new sun-glasses are ready for collection".
Don't take the sh!t from these people. If we all just accept things as they are then there will be no pressure on the system to get them changed. If we start losing flights due to lack of serviceable flying kit then the situation will soon get noticed.
MadMark!!!
If you feel that your boots are in such a bad state that they presently a H&S hazard then you should say so and refuse to fly.
A colleague of mine, several years ago, went into stores to change his sun-glasses only to be told that being rear-end crew he was not entitled to any!! After explaining that on our aircraft the rear-end crew are used for flight safety look outs, hence the reason he was issued with them in the first place, he was still refused a new pair. His answer, he returned to the Squadron, explained the situation to his Flight Commander and said that as a result he was not properly equipped to fly safely and so (although said jokingly) he wouldn't! The result, Flt Cdr on phone to OC Stackers, OC Stackers said that the reason given by his storeman was valid. Flt Cdr onto CO, CO phoned off station, and so on until it all bounced back down to OC Stackers. The result, within the hour my colleague received a phone call from supply "Your new sun-glasses are ready for collection".
Don't take the sh!t from these people. If we all just accept things as they are then there will be no pressure on the system to get them changed. If we start losing flights due to lack of serviceable flying kit then the situation will soon get noticed.
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oi
was the sac really thick? i think not or he or she would not have got in to the raf, i speak as an ex sac so stop slagging an sac stacker off cos he's telling you somethings not in stock. now having got that off my chest, i havent seen an airman behind the counter in clothing stores for years. if they dont have your size in stock then i would suggest one of two things, get some lpo'dthis is a local purchase order or get them to get on to the computer and get some from another unit, easy. one of the reasons there is a shortage of kit is that mod has gone over to the just in time principle. put simply the days of having mountains of kit sitting at stafford and elsewhere are over and mod just orders when it needs to. when i went to the gulf in 90 there were triwalls of kd hats from the early 50s sat in the kitting section at innsworth. mind you how much kit has been nicked by the thieving ba$tards at donnington? ps im not an ex stacker!
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Hi Gang;
I, too, went along for some lightweight flying boots a while back. when I enquired the other day, I was told that they were not made anymore and I had to go to SES to get 'measured' by the only qualified guy on the unit for new boots. Haven't been yet....too busy doing other things like collecting Jubilee medals and avoiding parades.
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I, too, went along for some lightweight flying boots a while back. when I enquired the other day, I was told that they were not made anymore and I had to go to SES to get 'measured' by the only qualified guy on the unit for new boots. Haven't been yet....too busy doing other things like collecting Jubilee medals and avoiding parades.
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Rude C'Man, so all your kit became worn out on the same day or perhaps you were so busy that you didn't have time to get to stores.
Ever thought that the poor storeman SAC type you called thick was just passing on what he'd been told by his seniors. Very rude c'man should be your tag. You must be so professional that you never ever make a mistake or always give the punters what they want. Probably the latter, Honey.
No. I'm not a storeman, just a serviceman of 22 years who is still serving and has learned to respect all within our Services. It's easy to slag off others when we are so ignorant/arrogant ourselves!
Ever thought that the poor storeman SAC type you called thick was just passing on what he'd been told by his seniors. Very rude c'man should be your tag. You must be so professional that you never ever make a mistake or always give the punters what they want. Probably the latter, Honey.
No. I'm not a storeman, just a serviceman of 22 years who is still serving and has learned to respect all within our Services. It's easy to slag off others when we are so ignorant/arrogant ourselves!
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Early this year, told I was required to fill an Emergency Appt Notice slot, so had 60 days to get kitted up with sufficient CS95 for WW3, vaccinated for everything they could think of, and could be sent anywhere in the world at 72 hours notice to fight men with beards.........except it took until June to get all the kit, by which time most of the men with beards had found razors or run away (to fight another day?)
About the only thing stores have plenty of is the new range of maternity wear! (and you thought the Battle of the Bulge finished in 1945)
Is it just me, or have we got our priorities just a tad mixed up?
About the only thing stores have plenty of is the new range of maternity wear! (and you thought the Battle of the Bulge finished in 1945)
Is it just me, or have we got our priorities just a tad mixed up?
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If your kit isn't serviceable don't fly. They will find it if you go through the right motions. Interestingly enough I have learned that there are 40 non-aircrew issued with flying kit at my station (15% of all personnel). Why?
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Well, that all hinges on your definition of "serviceable" flying kit doesn't it? Is a flying suit that's thread-bare and cobbled together from bits of other flying suits REALLY serviceable. Betcha bottom dollar the bean counters say it is. 
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Out of stock....
You could always review who is issued with flying kit; RAF Movers? Police? other hangers-on too numerous to list.
For a wind up I had considered mentioning the practice of wearing your flying suit 24/7 instead of something in Blue perhaps? But that would invoke all sorts of anger from the Guilty.
There was a F3 driver on my Flight Safety course who attended the week in a green suit. Nearest aircraft being.......
Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back...
For a wind up I had considered mentioning the practice of wearing your flying suit 24/7 instead of something in Blue perhaps? But that would invoke all sorts of anger from the Guilty.
There was a F3 driver on my Flight Safety course who attended the week in a green suit. Nearest aircraft being.......
Lights blue touchpaper and stands well back...
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Haven't any of you realised?
"Stores" are for "Storing"
If they meant to issue you with anything then they would be called "Issues"
Honestly, what do they teach you people in the Glamour end of HMF?
In all seriousness, if desperate, try Silvermans, God knows I've had to from time to time
www.silvermans.co.uk
"Stores" are for "Storing"
If they meant to issue you with anything then they would be called "Issues"
Honestly, what do they teach you people in the Glamour end of HMF?
In all seriousness, if desperate, try Silvermans, God knows I've had to from time to time
www.silvermans.co.uk
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Or airshows! - most sirshows have a range of 'Army Surplus' type stalls. I found a flying suit, still with my name in it, at one some years ago. I had handed it back to stores a couple of months previously as it was beyond repair!
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I'm afraid that I'm going to have to defend our suppliers, I've just been sent back to Oman at 12 hours notice and supply had all my kit ready for me and waiting for collection by the time I had sorted myself out. Most of the time it is not their fault that the guy in charge of procurment has not sorted out a decient contract and waits till the last minute befor spending any of his prcious budget. I'm sure they don't like being on the recieving end of our complaints any more than we don't enjoy having to work with shoddy kit.
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RIGHT!!
This is blinking IT!!!
For all those gone before - yes, I'm serving - yes, I professionally stack - yes, I do care.
I've seen the letter from a V important man in a V important office. There has, as usual, been a monumental cock-up on a number of items - especially the new flying kit. SNAFU. The civvies (DCTA, largely civil servants) and contracts have cocked up once more - the manufacturers are pants (paying peanuts for monkeys to make mess) and the face at the counter who says no gets shot.
I will reiterate myself from previous posts. Us blunt ones actually do want to be good at what we do. Some of us enjoy being part of the big machine and doing a small part in OPERATIONAL SUPPORT, at whatever level. It is far less bother to say yes and far worse to say no. Do you not think it is more pleasing to have a happy customer??? Do you think SACs in Clothing Stores (scarce thing) wants to upset everyone and will do it so his boss gets involved to chew his @ss?!???? I do not think so!!!
Some of us want to give the right kit to the right people - but it is not procured properly. The old sunglasses tale pains me. Chief Stacker was probably going from set directives and the phone calls up the line jumped ranks or even changed something that was wrong.
Us stackers don't set the scales or entitlements - YOUR specialists do that - we just manage what we're given (booger all) the way YOUR masters tell us!!!
AAAARGGHHHHHHHHH?!?!!!!!!!! messenger, shoot, don't.
PS - no-one has prodded me at happy hr about kit. Must have informed customers who are aware of problems and know who to blame.
PS - speak to your Sqn management - they got a copy of same letter I saw.
Better now - spleen vented.
Love you all..............
This is blinking IT!!!
For all those gone before - yes, I'm serving - yes, I professionally stack - yes, I do care.
I've seen the letter from a V important man in a V important office. There has, as usual, been a monumental cock-up on a number of items - especially the new flying kit. SNAFU. The civvies (DCTA, largely civil servants) and contracts have cocked up once more - the manufacturers are pants (paying peanuts for monkeys to make mess) and the face at the counter who says no gets shot.
I will reiterate myself from previous posts. Us blunt ones actually do want to be good at what we do. Some of us enjoy being part of the big machine and doing a small part in OPERATIONAL SUPPORT, at whatever level. It is far less bother to say yes and far worse to say no. Do you not think it is more pleasing to have a happy customer??? Do you think SACs in Clothing Stores (scarce thing) wants to upset everyone and will do it so his boss gets involved to chew his @ss?!???? I do not think so!!!
Some of us want to give the right kit to the right people - but it is not procured properly. The old sunglasses tale pains me. Chief Stacker was probably going from set directives and the phone calls up the line jumped ranks or even changed something that was wrong.
Us stackers don't set the scales or entitlements - YOUR specialists do that - we just manage what we're given (booger all) the way YOUR masters tell us!!!
AAAARGGHHHHHHHHH?!?!!!!!!!!
messenger, shoot, don't.PS - no-one has prodded me at happy hr about kit. Must have informed customers who are aware of problems and know who to blame.
PS - speak to your Sqn management - they got a copy of same letter I saw.
Better now - spleen vented.
Love you all..............
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I too am a member of the 'logistics' branch and as stated, we can only work with what we are given. Blame the DPA for setting up the **** contracts and the boyz at the top of the command chain (stick monkeys !!) for poor policy!
As stated, we are here to help, and it makes our life a lot easier to say yes but often we are following our own rules and regs (AP 830)
Suppose I should hand back my 4 flying suites as I have only used 1 once!!
Perks of the job........
As stated, we are here to help, and it makes our life a lot easier to say yes but often we are following our own rules and regs (AP 830)
Suppose I should hand back my 4 flying suites as I have only used 1 once!!
Perks of the job........