Mustard gas found at Woodhall Spa, two in hospital
Interestingly lax standards of site clearance. Slow biker, why would the storage pots just have their lead lining "folded down"? Surely, the other contaminated components were disposed of and traces of CW removed? I can't see why the lead wouldn't be recovered and the pots broken-up. These sites seem to be an ongoing bad joke. BTW, the "mysterious" toxic cloud incident at Bexhill area recently could well be a CW release. From what little I know, huge amounts of CW were dumped at sea around UK. 
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They keep finding WW2 Anti Aircraft Shells washed up in the mud in my neck of the woods. The navy sends out a team on what seems like a regular occurrence. They were talking of doing a 'sweep' to deal with them once and for all. I seem to remember an article I read from around 1968, re the last unexploded Luftwaffe bomb found in London. There have been plenty since then and probably more to be found. C'est la Guerre....
My great grandmother had the last but one V2 land in her back garden. The impact shattered all the windows and doors but caused no structural damage even though it was only fifty yards away.
As a kid I stayed there and played in the back garden and there were holes between the trees which were in her property. Sticking out if one was a thick metal washing bowl shaped thing which I was told was part of the combustion chamber.
The were no BIG holes where the warhead would have exploded or where they would have dug for it so I presume the warhead is still down there.
The property changed hands about three years ago for £745,000.
As a kid I stayed there and played in the back garden and there were holes between the trees which were in her property. Sticking out if one was a thick metal washing bowl shaped thing which I was told was part of the combustion chamber.
The were no BIG holes where the warhead would have exploded or where they would have dug for it so I presume the warhead is still down there.
The property changed hands about three years ago for £745,000.
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A third man has been arrested in Woodhall in addition to the man and woman in Lincoln and police etc were searching a house in Lincoln. They were wearing respirators and reports of mustard gas in containers.
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onceapilot (#21),
Dumped the remaining stocks of mustard (in 65lb cans) from CDRE Cannanore around March 1946 myself. Position: roughly 20 mi out to sea from W coast of India, about 11 degrees N latitude.
Vengeance could carry 4 tins per trip (2 tins per 500lb bombrack) internally (could not use 250lb wing racks as tins too flimsy). Dropped on ranges would burst on impact. We also had spray tanks which were carried on the wing racks, but the filling them from the cans was too nasty and dangerous a job to ask the armourers to do when it was not "operationally" required.
Tanks were cleaned out and used later for anti-malarial DDT spraying experiments.
Danny.
..."From what little I know, huge amounts of CW were dumped at sea around UK"...
Vengeance could carry 4 tins per trip (2 tins per 500lb bombrack) internally (could not use 250lb wing racks as tins too flimsy). Dropped on ranges would burst on impact. We also had spray tanks which were carried on the wing racks, but the filling them from the cans was too nasty and dangerous a job to ask the armourers to do when it was not "operationally" required.
Tanks were cleaned out and used later for anti-malarial DDT spraying experiments.
Danny.
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Latest, RN divers searching at Stixwold. Roughton woods being searched using ground penetrating radar and "human resources" people?
One picture shows a thin plate perhaps one foot by two with 3-4 bottle size bases visible. One appeared slightly green like old bottle glass.
Police access appears to be down the track to the scout camp.
One picture shows a thin plate perhaps one foot by two with 3-4 bottle size bases visible. One appeared slightly green like old bottle glass.
Police access appears to be down the track to the scout camp.
OAP. I am not really sure what advantage there would be to collapse a 5m deep reinforced concrete hole in the ground, it would still need back-filling but with the possibility of voids. As it was, several drums of STB were emptied into the pot to neutralize any residual mustard. My experience is +25 years, I believe some of the sites have been revisited.
Regarding deep sea dumping, the Beaufort Trench in the Irish Sea was a favorite spot. Ships were loaded at Cairnryan to proceed out; local knowledge will tell of the empty ships returning after a time that would need warp speed to reach the trench and back!
Regarding deep sea dumping, the Beaufort Trench in the Irish Sea was a favorite spot. Ships were loaded at Cairnryan to proceed out; local knowledge will tell of the empty ships returning after a time that would need warp speed to reach the trench and back!
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5M deep reinforced concrete!
Certainly, the removal and smelting of the liner would sound simple and the extraction and breaking-up of the concrete pot would seem to be the minimum to return site to original state.
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5M deep reinforced concrete!
Certainly, the removal and smelting of the liner would sound simple and the extraction and breaking-up of the concrete pot would seem to be the minimum to return site to original state.OAP
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Quite right air pig, I and quite a few others ended up having bloods taken in A&E once following a RTC involving chemicals. Unfortunately we didn't know this until we arrived on scene. Helimed landed on before we could get the message to them. They were about as chuffed as us. Right before a long weekend too. Our bloods came back normal fortunately.
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I guess the people who found them may have gone to hospital after they had removed them from the site and dumped them in a pond in Stixwold. RN divers have recovered something and they are being "sent for analysis by helicopter". Smart helicopters, whatever next.
Police now covering their initial. RAF assertion and mention it was an Army camp.
Police now covering their initial. RAF assertion and mention it was an Army camp.
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Smart helicopters, whatever next.
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SB, my neighbour was one of the disposal parties. He said a deep pit was filled with steel boxes several deep and then set on fire. He thought boxes at the bottom would not have been burnt.
PN. When was this, 1950s? There have been examples of hasty, incomplete clearance, particularly those carried out in immediate post war years by 'colonial' troops in a hurry for the boat home; and who can blame them. Airfield denial with a grid of sunken explosives filled pipes was a classic example.
Let me just correct my remark 'my experience is +25 years'. Sounds a bit flashy expert, which I am not. What I should have said is my experience with mustard gas was +25 years ago.
Let me just correct my remark 'my experience is +25 years'. Sounds a bit flashy expert, which I am not. What I should have said is my experience with mustard gas was +25 years ago.
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mr fish (#28),
In wartime, the advice was to "wash off at once with copious quantities of water" (a drop of liquid mustard, left on the skin for 20 mins, will inflict a third degree burn).
On that basis, dumping at sea is the best way, as it will quickly dilute into harmlessness. So that is what I did.
We knew nothing about nerve agents - somebody else here may have an idea.
Danny.
..."question...how is mustard gas safely disposed of?"...
On that basis, dumping at sea is the best way, as it will quickly dilute into harmlessness. So that is what I did.
We knew nothing about nerve agents - somebody else here may have an idea.
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It turns into sludge on the bottom and doesn't dilute there are several fishermen per year contaminated when the sludge sticks to fishing gear.
The royal engineers teaching on getting rid of it involves loads of pallets a drilling charge loads of diesel and 20meters of det cord.
You make you set the case on a couple of pallets with charge attached then run det cord out to a safety fuse. Put a ring of det cord 5m out around it and attach to first bit of det cord to the drilling charge. Cover centre bit with loads of broken pallet. Put a circle of wood over the circle of det cord. Soak every thing in diesel.
20 min safety fuse light and wobble off in your noddysuit.
Gives a mini nuke mushroom and the center gives the required 800 deg for 2 mins that they reckon is enough to do most things. All the fumes are lifted high by the mushroom.
Again this is 25year plus memories.
The royal engineers teaching on getting rid of it involves loads of pallets a drilling charge loads of diesel and 20meters of det cord.
You make you set the case on a couple of pallets with charge attached then run det cord out to a safety fuse. Put a ring of det cord 5m out around it and attach to first bit of det cord to the drilling charge. Cover centre bit with loads of broken pallet. Put a circle of wood over the circle of det cord. Soak every thing in diesel.
20 min safety fuse light and wobble off in your noddysuit.
Gives a mini nuke mushroom and the center gives the required 800 deg for 2 mins that they reckon is enough to do most things. All the fumes are lifted high by the mushroom.
Again this is 25year plus memories.
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tescoapp (#38),
Now you've given me one more thing on my conscience when I meet St. Peter ! But years ago on "Pilots Brevet", I wrote: "or, being heavier than water, it would sink to the bottom to the end of time. For there was no trawler fishing, only inshore net fishing".
But Then was Then (71 years ago), and Now is Now !
Danny.
Now you've given me one more thing on my conscience when I meet St. Peter ! But years ago on "Pilots Brevet", I wrote: "or, being heavier than water, it would sink to the bottom to the end of time. For there was no trawler fishing, only inshore net fishing".
But Then was Then (71 years ago), and Now is Now !
Danny.
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SB, I didn't ask him but I would guess 80s-90s. He mentioned a number of local disused airfields, so disused that I didn't remember them as airfields.
Of course this incident is Army. These woods were used in pre-Arnhem build up but there were active Home Guards units Horncastle and vWoodhall Spa. By all accounts the inter unit rivalry was straight out of the comedy programme.
Of course this incident is Army. These woods were used in pre-Arnhem build up but there were active Home Guards units Horncastle and vWoodhall Spa. By all accounts the inter unit rivalry was straight out of the comedy programme.