'Shocking pictures show female RAF recruit hurled around by naked servicemen'

[Linedog]

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator

NL, may I say I had been given no option but to find her guilty and fine her the sum ordained. It was the cost of one nights B&B at the Petwood in Woodhall Spa.

Currently £140 per night for B&B.

[papa_sierra]

And worth it. Lovely place, pity about the golfers.

[Wensleydale]

..but you can get it for £90 if they have rooms free at short notice.

[air pig]

Originally Posted by papa_sierra

And worth it. Lovely place, pity about the golfers.

They do a very good afternoon tea.

[Avtur]

And the Dambusters bar is a treasure trove of information and artifacts as of 2011 when I was last there.(Deliberate collaboration with the thread drift btw)

[Jabba_TG12]

Originally Posted by Wyler

Barnstormer.
It is NOT acceptable. It would never have been acceptable. It will never be acceptable.
She made no complaint to anyone In the the HQ. if she had complained on the mountain and been refused why did she not pick up the phone? Why did she not make a formal complaint the minute she got back to MPA?
I am not saying this so called ceremony did not happen. I am not saying she found it unacceptable, I am saying it was against ALL the rules and I still cannot understand why she kept so quiet for so long.
It does, however, give her show a boost..

Quite. It has helped her sustain a career of sorts in a profession that notoriously has a 90% unemployment rate when she appears to have precious few other strings to her entertainment bow, so to speak.

Plus, the Metro/Mirror article is hardly Pulitzer winning in its accuracy. Recruits? Puhleeze..... Keep quiet and you'll get a flight in an F3? Oh come on, be serious.

I had three tours of Alice as a Scopie. 1989, 1995 and 1997. Ratarsed we often may have been, but this kind of cr*p never went down, especially when there were both female officers and female non commissioned's on the mountain. Had discipline really gone that much to ratsh*t in four years? While I accept that it is *possible* for what is alleged in the pictures to have happened at Alice, by the same token, I find her account and the way it has been reported to be somewhat questionable in its veracity. And thats putting it very politely.

[NutLoose]

Looking a the pictures they remind me off an act put on at some show or another.. I've seen worse on stage in the NAAFI

Not good, but she does not appear in any of them to be vehemently objecting, not that it makes it right, nor did she report it having documented proof on film, it makes you wonder why now? In the article it says she "educates other recruits on harrassment"... seems an odd thing to teach people while repressing your own incident for so long. I also wonder if she has hyped this up to sell her book?

She remained committed to exposing sexual harassment within the forces and in 2015 used mobile phone footage as part of a one-woman play about her ordeal, called Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

I wonder if it initially came out to coincide with her book sales and to plug her play?

https://www.oberonbooks.com/whiskey-tango-foxtrot.html

https://www.wtftheplay.co.uk/

[ByronCedric]

These posts are exactly why sexual assault is under-reported. You do realise that you're one short step away from victim blaming?

If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem and a lot of you here are most certainly part of the problem!

[NutLoose]

I am not blaming anyone, simply trying to understand why any woman or male for that matter would with such compelling evidence of a wrong doing ( if it was that ) sit on it for so long without revealing it to the authorities, especially when at the time something could have been done about it, not just in her case, but possibly to protect her contemporaries and those that came after her from it, but then to produce a play and write a book about it to profit from the experience, neither seem to sit comfortably with each other..

[ByronCedric]

Perhaps because the culture at the time impeded proper reporting? As I said previously, I was on a mountain site in the same year (not the same mountain site) and any reports of wrong doing were ignored and we have the, self-declared, CO of the mountain sites at that time stating that he waved off such incidents as "an irritation but nothing major and the usual I.e too much drink, some damage and the odd scuffle." (source: post 8 in this thread (I can't post links yet)). As a male I do not believe that I would have received the support required if I had reported anything so why would she? As for why she mentions it now. I cannot comment on her individual mental health but perhaps she is now in a position to use the abuse she suffered to help others? It is reported that she helps recruits who are suffering similar issues. That she makes a living from it shouldn't be part of the discussion. Should she give away any money she makes from this? Would you?

[Jabba_TG12]

Originally Posted by ByronCedric

These posts are exactly why sexual assault is under-reported. You do realise that you're one short step away from victim blaming?

If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem and a lot of you here are most certainly part of the problem!

Oh great, another Common Purpose "graduate". Just what we need... Must be related to Pr00ne. Just the kind of New Labour sewage-speak that he'd come out with.

[Jabba_TG12]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

I am not blaming anyone, simply trying to understand why any woman or male for that matter would with such compelling evidence of a wrong doing ( if it was that ) sit on it for so long without revealing it to the authorities, especially when at the time something could have been done about it, not just in her case, but possibly to protect her contemporaries and those that came after her from it, but then to produce a play and write a book about it to profit from the experience, neither seem to sit comfortably with each other..

.... and thats the one thing you'll never get a straight answer to either. Only an accusation of "victim shaming", which is the usual chaff & flares to be dispensed by the SJW types who spout such nonsense.

[ByronCedric]

Social justice warrior? No, just a decent person who isn't an old fart dinosaur. Obviously, talking to you is like pissing into the wind so I won't bother any more.

[glad rag]

These posts are exactly why sexual assault is under-reported.

PPRuNe must have some media coverage to achieve that.

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by ByronCedric

Perhaps because the culture at the time impeded proper reporting? As I said previously, I was on a mountain site in the same year (not the same mountain site) and any reports of wrong doing were ignored and we have the, self-declared, CO of the mountain sites at that time stating that he waved off such incidents as "an irritation but nothing major and the usual I.e too much drink, some damage and the odd scuffle." (source: post 8 in this thread (I can't post links yet)). As a male I do not believe that I would have received the support required if I had reported anything so why would she? As for why she mentions it now. I cannot comment on her individual mental health but perhaps she is now in a position to use the abuse she suffered to help others? It is reported that she helps recruits who are suffering similar issues. That she makes a living from it shouldn't be part of the discussion. Should she give away any money she makes from this? Would you?

Fair enough, maybe that was the culture in play on the FI's at the time, but there was absolutely nothing to prevent her bringing it up when she returned to the UK when she was safely out of the prevailing culture. The point i was trying to get across if this was such an horriffic abuse, one would have thought she would have endeavoured to protect any other female from being put in that position, but as you say mental state etc. Never went South myself, but a lot of friends did, though they were a bit busy at the time as there was a war on, I would love to visit the place though as its a wildlife photographers paradise.