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RAF Wsop Help

Old 23rd May 2017, 20:38
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RAF Wsop Help

Today I did my CBAT and due to f*ucking up the StrgcTM test I failed to qualify for all but one role. I wanted to go directly into WSOp Roatry which I just underscored 86/90. So now I'm left with the option of waiting a year or doing something else. I have two questions 1)Is it possible to retake the test without having to wait a year e.g. Recruiting team helping me out? (I doubt this one) 2) can I join up via the driver role wait until I can retake CBAT in a years time. Or will I be tied down as a driver for a while. I want to join up asap and I want this wsop role bad. Any advice or ideas would be grand. As for the rest of the test I did great came closer to meeting the pilot requirements than most of the lads here looking to become pilots just one part ruined it for me. Very gutted.
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Old 24th May 2017, 08:10
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driver role?
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Old 24th May 2017, 09:08
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You might get more responses / already find similar questions on the thread - http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...ead-first.html
That seems to be where candidates post info relating to selection etc?
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Old 24th May 2017, 10:58
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If you want WSOp, wait for WSOp.
Don't go in as something else - you might fail again and then be in a trade you hate for years.
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Old 24th May 2017, 11:57
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
If you want WSOp, wait for WSOp.
Don't go in as something else - you might fail again and then be in a trade you hate for years.
I don't agree. If you want to join ASAP, and there are other roles you fancy, then join.

You will have to wait another year before retaking CBAT; thereafter, many serving airmen get a 'fast-track' CBAT session if they are interested in an aptitude branch (particularly WSOp at the moment) and the required 12 months has elapsed.

You are also more likely to perform better at NCAITC if you've used the next 12 months or so as a serving airman.
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Old 24th May 2017, 13:15
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Today I did my CBAT and due to f*ucking up the StrgcTM test I failed to qualify for all but one role. I wanted to go directly into WSOp Roatry which I just underscored 86/90. So now I'm left with the option of waiting a year or doing something else. I have two questions 1)Is it possible to retake the test without having to wait a year e.g. Recruiting team helping me out? (I doubt this one) 2) can I join up via the driver role wait until I can retake CBAT in a years time. Or will I be tied down as a driver for a while. I want to join up asap and I want this wsop role bad. Any advice or ideas would be grand. As for the rest of the test I did great came closer to meeting the pilot requirements than most of the lads here looking to become pilots just one part ruined it for me. Very gutted.
Which one is the StrgcTM test?
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Old 24th May 2017, 14:29
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If they like the other trade, sure.

But if they're only there because they want a crack at WSOp down the line, it's not ideal. What happens if they fail? What happens when their CO doesn't think they're up to it so won't release them?
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Old 24th May 2017, 15:46
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
If they like the other trade, sure.

But if they're only there because they want a crack at WSOp down the line, it's not ideal. What happens if they fail? What happens when their CO doesn't think they're up to it so won't release them?
Of course if you fail CBAT at a later date then your future branch choices are obviously going to be limited. But otherwise, I'm afraid you're out of date with the way an airman potentially changes branch to WSOp. He no longer needs a recommendation from his CO; nor does he even need to have been in long enough for any SJARs. He can just walk into the AFCO like anyone else! And there are very few roles from which he might be prevented from leaving - that would be a career foul.
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Old 24th May 2017, 18:31
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Might this be an option?

Aircrewman | Royal Navy Jobs in the Fleet Air Arm

I wouldn't know if your previous attempt for WSOp would impact your application and timings for this role. Of course it might not tick the boxes that attracted you to the RAF rotary role in the first place, but it remains an option.
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Old 24th May 2017, 21:03
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Ah I know the feeling far too well. If it's any consolation, I failed my CBAT twice - a kick in the gentleman's area for sure.

I did what someone else recommended a few posts up and went to my AFCO and knocked on the door of the Royal Navy and enquired into the Aircrewman role and FATS (Naval aptitude version of CBAT) thinking maybe I could retake the tests sooner than having to wait the 12 months and as the tests are identical - you still have to wait for your year to elapse before re-attempting the Aptitude tests.

I concur with what others say, perservere and wait for the year to elapse.

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And NDW is the epitome of perseverance and on that alone deserves success.
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Old 25th May 2017, 07:02
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And NDW is the epitome of perseverance and on that alone deserves success.
PN,

Thank you very much indeed. Really appreciate that.
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Old 25th May 2017, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Seedin View Post
Which one is the StrgcTM test?
IIRC, It was the Cognitive Updating Test.

COGNITIVE UPDATING TEST:
You're given 2 panels so you can watch 2 screens at once, and have to flick between each screen updating & turning things on and off, etc. I kept my "Message" screen open and used the other side to constantly flick between the others. Take notice of the "Warning panel" at the top as it will warn you with things like the pressure being too high, etc. Also note that when using the Hydraulic pump, it goes down a lot slower than it goes up! So I would turn it on to get it to the correct pressure, flick to a few screens and it would already be at high pressure, giving me a warning. The rest is self explanatory, just remember all tasks have equal importance.

The explanation above was taken from 'The Student Room, Armed Forces' and is near enough spot on.
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Old 26th May 2017, 23:31
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driver role?
yeah I'm 18 and I don't have my driving licence so may as well. I understand the role wouldn't be very exciting but its not my career plan.
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Old 26th May 2017, 23:42
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
If they like the other trade, sure.

But if they're only there because they want a crack at WSOp down the line, it's not ideal. What happens if they fail? What happens when their CO doesn't think they're up to it so won't release them?
as I said overall I over-achieved my expectations I simply did awful in one test, mainly due to not understanding what I was doing until I was already half way in. I'm extremely confident that going at it a second time I would pass so much so I have even considered getting a levels and going for pilot to be a real life Maverick (however I'm 6ft4 and I'm pretty sure I'm too tall). iv spoke to a serving WSOp and he told me that they shouldn't hold me back as progression is encouraged and if so he'd put a word in.
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Old 26th May 2017, 23:59
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I just want to join up ASAP. I'm currently working in costa part-time I don't think I can manage making skinny decaf hazelnut cappuccinos much longer.
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Old 27th May 2017, 08:26
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RAF Taff, you really did mean as a vehicle driver?

Very much a Cinderella trade. As in 'Truism' thread, and equally 'false'

MT is always late.
Vehicles are clapped out.
They break down.
Sorry, all vehicles are out.
Sorry, shift change.

MT drivers, and very often the majority will be contractors not Service, are really the unseen glue that keep the whole show on the road, but I suspect very few cross over from drivers, coach to drivers, aircraft.

So, follow the advice above, get more like skills experience, make yourself more employable. Show you have used your time between tests and build up team skills.

Do read the OASC sticky, all this advice is repeated there. Above all, persevere.
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Old 27th May 2017, 11:06
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Unless you have a seriously good plan for the next 12 months, OASC are likely to be more impressed by you taking the decision of joining in the ranks now and it's likely you'll perform better at selection. Thereafter, NCAITC will be easier because it wouldn't just be on the bounce from ITC.

Lots to think about, and I'm sure the AFCO can talk to you about other trades [than driver] that could be of interest, but these days applying from within the ranks is just the same as that for a DE except you'll be better prepared; furthermore, commissioning clubs on most RAF Stns are an absolute gift.
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Old 27th May 2017, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
RAF Taff, you really did mean as a vehicle driver?

Very much a Cinderella trade. As in 'Truism' thread, and equally 'false'

MT is always late.
Vehicles are clapped out.
They break down.
Sorry, all vehicles are out.
Sorry, shift change.

MT drivers, and very often the majority will be contractors not Service, are really the unseen glue that keep the whole show on the road, but I suspect very few cross over from drivers, coach to drivers, aircraft.

So, follow the advice above, get more like skills experience, make yourself more employable. Show you have used your time between tests and build up team skills.

Do read the OASC sticky, all this advice is repeated there. Above all, persevere.
Driver was just a suggestion I'm open to others, any recommendations?
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Old 28th May 2017, 00:25
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Wsop

I joined the RAF 11 years ago. I failed at my first attempt at OASC so joined up anyway as an aircraft technician. I learnt a lot about aircraft, systems and deployments that helped me a lot when I became a Wsop. I'd recommend that route to someone in your position.
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