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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 15:38
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 17:20
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The blockage is CJO - of all cloth, crabfat blue, bootneck lovat or pongo green.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 18:09
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Not what I'd heard, AtG. The current CJO is apparently in favour of broad (ie Cyprus and Gulf) SHADER recognition, and it is the Chiefs of Staff Committee which has been the blockage recently. I can't imagine it would be CDS, CAS or 1SL causing the difficulty...
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
Not what I'd heard, AtG. The current CJO is apparently in favour of broad (ie Cyprus and Gulf) SHADER recognition, and it is the Chiefs of Staff Committee which has been the blockage recently. I can't imagine it would be CDS, CAS or 1SL causing the difficulty...
I'll go with that.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 20:49
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
Not what I'd heard, AtG. The current CJO is apparently in favour of broad (ie Cyprus and Gulf) SHADER recognition, and it is the Chiefs of Staff Committee which has been the blockage recently. I can't imagine it would be CDS, CAS or 1SL causing the difficulty...
So, held up by people that in all likelihood haven't deployed for years, if not decades, but will no doubt be in line for a seemingly automatic 'K' or some such
for just turning up to a plush office and large staff. Pretty much as I might have imagined. Would be interested to understand what the difficulty is exactly that is taxing their decision.
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So, held up by people that in all likelihood haven't deployed for years, if not decades, but will no doubt be in line for a seemingly automatic 'K' or some such
for just turning up to a plush office and large staff. Pretty much as I might have imagined. Would be interested to understand what the difficulty is exactly that is taxing their decision.
Spot on - 'It doesn't apply to me...but I don't think it is justified anyway. Oh by the way, looked at all of the cash I have saved by not approving this.'

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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:20
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
Not what I'd heard, AtG. The current CJO is apparently in favour of broad (ie Cyprus and Gulf) SHADER recognition, and it is the Chiefs of Staff Committee which has been the blockage recently. I can't imagine it would be CDS, CAS or 1SL causing the difficulty...

But amazingly, no recognition for the RN and RAF engaged in the hard graft in the Gulf for the last 20+ years (s/fast Air Ops Iraq and TELIC).

But yes, I can imagine the Pongos not liking the fact there is medallic recognition for anything other than Infantry operations.
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:38
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Originally Posted by alfred_the_great
But amazingly, no recognition for the RN and RAF engaged in the hard graft in the Gulf for the last 20+ years (s/fast Air Ops Iraq and TELIC).

But yes, I can imagine the Pongos not liking the fact there is medallic recognition for anything other than Infantry operations.
AtG - way, way off of the mark re the British Army.

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Old 24th Apr 2017, 19:56
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But amazingly, no recognition for the RN and RAF engaged in the hard graft in the Gulf for the last 20+ years (s/fast Air Ops Iraq and TELIC.
I have to say I've never really understood why time at the CAOC in AUD was never recognised. Especially as when the CAOC was based in Saudi it qualified for the Air Ops Iraq clasp, and arguably a far lower tempo than we see these days. And before anyone asks, I've never done a CAOC tour so there's no self-interest other than curiosity at a slightly odd decision given the precedent.
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Getting back to the list...

What's the story here?

Queen's Commendation for Bravery in the Air (QCB)
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AtG - way, way off of the mark re the British Army.

I have an email from a senior British Army Officer denying that there was sufficient risk and rigor for medallic recognition operating off Syria whilst chemical weapons and ASCMs were present ashore.

But f*ck me, the Army go to do some STTT in northern Iraq, and suddenly we all need a "SHADER" medal...
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Any links to the citations or can anyone shed any light on them?
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 20:29
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Any links to the citations or can anyone shed any light on them?
Only one so far from the RAF Facebook page

"Squadron Leader Roger Cruickshank has been awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in the Operational Honours List 2017 for his strong leadership in the fight against Da'esh in Iraq.

On May 27 2016, while leading a Typhoon formation, Squadron Leader Cruickshank conducted successful strikes against multiple hostile targets, with repeated exposure to Da’esh anti-aircraft systems. He showed phenomenally quick-thinking, supreme technical knowledge and sheer determination to successfully destroy enemy targets while his formation ran critically low on fuel, nevertheless, he still managed to achieve the mission and get his formation safely back to base.

Speaking about the Honour, Squadron Leader Cruickshank said: “I am very humbled to receive this honour and feel proud to have even been nominated in the first place. However, I sincerely feel that I was just doing my job and in the right place, at the right time.

I have benefited from a supreme training system which set me up to deal with the task I was faced with and feel fortunate to have been given the confidence to cope.

Finally, I must stress that it is hugely down to the team as a whole, the engineers, the survival equipment personnel, the operations staff and many others, who all ensured that I was indeed in the right place, at the right time and able to save the lives of allied personnel on the ground.”"
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