HMS Nottingham strikes rocks
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Nice one Jacko!! Whilst on the subject of flying sperm you might want to have a look at this link
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Personally I dont think the trial went far enough and am persuading the wife to conduct some gargling tests.
Happy Seamen
Personally I dont think the trial went far enough and am persuading the wife to conduct some gargling tests.
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"Complex machinery in a complex environment"
WEBF
Nottingham is a ship.
It was at sea, its natural environment
It hit a rock first charted in1788, by the Royal Navy. If a ship hits a rock and nearly sinks, then yes, it is serious.
What's complex about that?
WEBF
Nottingham is a ship.
It was at sea, its natural environment
It hit a rock first charted in1788, by the Royal Navy. If a ship hits a rock and nearly sinks, then yes, it is serious.
What's complex about that?
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I am both a professional and probably considerably more qualified than you, Grubby man! Although been retired a number of years
If you doubt that then perhaps email me and I can forward my contact details so we can dicuss this further. Why not take your tight britches from out of your arse and chill, If injecting a little light hearted humour into the thread is out of order Ill apologise to the Forum.
You can't go round telling people to zip when you hear something you don't like, I know that because there was a chap called Adolf who had a similar idea in the late thirties and he met a sticky end.
I am both a professional and probably considerably more qualified than you, Grubby man! Although been retired a number of years
If you doubt that then perhaps email me and I can forward my contact details so we can dicuss this further. Why not take your tight britches from out of your arse and chill, If injecting a little light hearted humour into the thread is out of order Ill apologise to the Forum.
You can't go round telling people to zip when you hear something you don't like, I know that because there was a chap called Adolf who had a similar idea in the late thirties and he met a sticky end.
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Fall out of bed the wrong side?
You may recall the second P stands for pilot and this is a military AIRCREW forum.
I think D-n b's response as an aviator is both an appropraiate and humourous response to some sailor running his tub aground. Called banter dear boy.
That being said I think the Capt came across as a thoroughly decent honest guy during his interview on ITN, taking the blame squarely on the chin and praising the crew for their reaction to the situation.
Fall out of bed the wrong side?
You may recall the second P stands for pilot and this is a military AIRCREW forum.
I think D-n b's response as an aviator is both an appropraiate and humourous response to some sailor running his tub aground. Called banter dear boy.
That being said I think the Capt came across as a thoroughly decent honest guy during his interview on ITN, taking the blame squarely on the chin and praising the crew for their reaction to the situation.
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Do-Nut Boy et al
Humour is fine and am all for it. Comments about the incident, although tenuously related to military aviation, also fine. The tone of your original post wasn't, given the situation.
Curious as to why you feel the need to indulge in willy-measuring to make your point? If you wish to lay your cards on the table, then do so in public!
Chris K - I think you'll agree there are more and more armchair experts appearing on these threads. Hence my vitriol towards DNB on what at the time was obviously a very sensitive time for all those onboard (AND those families at home who might also peruse PPrune for whatever reason).
Now, if you want to discuss life at sea as a pilot....
Curious as to why you feel the need to indulge in willy-measuring to make your point? If you wish to lay your cards on the table, then do so in public!
Chris K - I think you'll agree there are more and more armchair experts appearing on these threads. Hence my vitriol towards DNB on what at the time was obviously a very sensitive time for all those onboard (AND those families at home who might also peruse PPrune for whatever reason).
Now, if you want to discuss life at sea as a pilot....
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Hasn't the whole court martial system been put on hold pending rulings from Europe - they are unconstitutional etc? I thought that everybody who had been court martialled in the last squillion years was getting a case review?
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WEBF
Then why do you continue to waffle on? Try getting out down the gym rather than spending all your time in a MILITARY AIRCREW forum, since you do not qualify for either.
Before the rest of you moan, I have no problem with the non-military, non-aircrew types posting here, as much is of great interest, but I am getting really p!$$ed off with WEBF and his continuous 'expertise'!
MadMark!!!
Again, I am not in a position to add much
Before the rest of you moan, I have no problem with the non-military, non-aircrew types posting here, as much is of great interest, but I am getting really p!$$ed off with WEBF and his continuous 'expertise'!
MadMark!!!
I still don't see the Professional Pilots/Military Aircrew relevance of this incident, except perhaps the behaviour of and the likely result to the Captain.
I didn't catch the Captain on the TV, but did hear that the MoD were 'highly dis-chuffed' that he'd gone to/spoken to the press without prior permission, authorisation or guidance. I guess that this is an interesting issue, and possibly of wider interest.
Can anyone confirm that Court Martial of the Captain in these circs is INEVITABLE and procedural?
I didn't catch the Captain on the TV, but did hear that the MoD were 'highly dis-chuffed' that he'd gone to/spoken to the press without prior permission, authorisation or guidance. I guess that this is an interesting issue, and possibly of wider interest.
Can anyone confirm that Court Martial of the Captain in these circs is INEVITABLE and procedural?
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As Australian divers examined the hull, damaged below the waterline, Commander Farrington said that it was “the worst feeling in the world” to have his ship involved in such an incident. The grounding occurred shortly after the experienced officer had returned to HMS Nottingham on the ship’s Lynx helicopter.
A Navy spokesman said that Commander Farrington had been on Lord Howe Island to accompany a sick crew member, who had been taken off for medical treatment. The spokesman said that the commander was on board the destroyer “and, therefore, back in charge of the ship” when it ran into the rock, although the officer of the watch on the bridge would have been involved in the manoeuvre that ended in the collision.
“They were looking to manoeuvre the ship to stow the helicopter and you have to take into account the pitch and roll of the ship before you stow the Lynx into the hangar,” a Navy official said.
As Australian divers examined the hull, damaged below the waterline, Commander Farrington said that it was “the worst feeling in the world” to have his ship involved in such an incident. The grounding occurred shortly after the experienced officer had returned to HMS Nottingham on the ship’s Lynx helicopter.
A Navy spokesman said that Commander Farrington had been on Lord Howe Island to accompany a sick crew member, who had been taken off for medical treatment. The spokesman said that the commander was on board the destroyer “and, therefore, back in charge of the ship” when it ran into the rock, although the officer of the watch on the bridge would have been involved in the manoeuvre that ended in the collision.
“They were looking to manoeuvre the ship to stow the helicopter and you have to take into account the pitch and roll of the ship before you stow the Lynx into the hangar,” a Navy official said.
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Perky - I am no legal expert but this thing about Courts Martial, wasn't that more to do with their legality for an offence that was of a criminal nature, possibly in contravention of the civil code?
Courts Martial for loss of ship, damage etc. have gone on for years as a means of bringing everything to the surface, so to speak, that is my understanding, what say those that know?
Courts Martial for loss of ship, damage etc. have gone on for years as a means of bringing everything to the surface, so to speak, that is my understanding, what say those that know?
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Well it seems (since we are now on a nautical theme) that the RN is not only confining itself to hitting rocks that have been on charts for years.
In the news today is a story about a RN frigate (T23 they said but knowing the journo's it could be anything that floats) missed their target (Cape Wrath range?) by 8 miles and a village by only 1!
Well done for the boys in dark blue- and WEBF before you get your knickers in a twist; the damage control by Notties crew may have been great (and I have done the DREW) but they still hit the rock! It is like congratulating yourself for a great parachute roll after an ejection caused by pilot error, sorry Human Factors (Aircrew).
In the news today is a story about a RN frigate (T23 they said but knowing the journo's it could be anything that floats) missed their target (Cape Wrath range?) by 8 miles and a village by only 1!
Well done for the boys in dark blue- and WEBF before you get your knickers in a twist; the damage control by Notties crew may have been great (and I have done the DREW) but they still hit the rock! It is like congratulating yourself for a great parachute roll after an ejection caused by pilot error, sorry Human Factors (Aircrew).
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Jacko, According to the Telegraph. NOTTINGHAM hit the rock as she was recovering her helo. The Captain was a passenger in the helo. So this is a military aviaton news story, like it or not. Incidentally this is a forum FOR Professional Pilots. If a few of those pilots choose to discuss one of their landing platforms, so be it. I am sure there are several threads about HM's Airfields, would you like to delete them?
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According to the papers here the helicopter had landed back on and been disembarked but now they had to get it back into the hangar and for this the ship had to do some manoeuvring to give them a level deck, wind at the time was said to be 30kts from the West - possibly all just 'paper talk'?
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Lynx gets wet if not put to bed correctly
IT WAS THE LYNX PILOTS FAULT!
There has been more than one 'deep dive' final landing caused by mother not being handled correctly at the time of aircraft ops, as a result we now have fairly tight rules and regs when putting the old girl back in the hangar and for getting off and on during fly ops.
I believe it is in fact the Lynx driver concerned who is actually responsible for the crunch; by getting back to mother rather than pulling an aircraft sicky and staying ashore for a run in the the pub. No Lynx arrival = no need to turn into wind/swell/granite.
He is newer than myself at this so I shall re-brief him accordingly after his BA sponsored return to Blighty!
There has been more than one 'deep dive' final landing caused by mother not being handled correctly at the time of aircraft ops, as a result we now have fairly tight rules and regs when putting the old girl back in the hangar and for getting off and on during fly ops.
I believe it is in fact the Lynx driver concerned who is actually responsible for the crunch; by getting back to mother rather than pulling an aircraft sicky and staying ashore for a run in the the pub. No Lynx arrival = no need to turn into wind/swell/granite.
He is newer than myself at this so I shall re-brief him accordingly after his BA sponsored return to Blighty!
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Why on earth do you want to measure my willy.
Your'e gonna have to take me out, get to know me, treat me nice etc, before I unleash the mighty mutton musket. Is it common practise for you navy types to display your genitalia when confronted by someone with an argument.
If so can I join because my One eyed warlord is a fine specimin and will win a game of 'Todger Top trumps' every time
Why on earth do you want to measure my willy.
Your'e gonna have to take me out, get to know me, treat me nice etc, before I unleash the mighty mutton musket. Is it common practise for you navy types to display your genitalia when confronted by someone with an argument.
If so can I join because my One eyed warlord is a fine specimin and will win a game of 'Todger Top trumps' every time
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Do-NUT
Do you have any connection with aviation or are you just an interested bystander with an aluminium stepladder. Once again..."Professional Pilot..etc" as opposed to "Perverted Plonkah..."
Do you have any connection with aviation or are you just an interested bystander with an aluminium stepladder. Once again..."Professional Pilot..etc" as opposed to "Perverted Plonkah..."
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Interesting Media
Couldn't help but mention it let me know what you think?
After the little 'incident' with HMS Nottingham various newspapers (including Telegraph and Times) and television coverage described the rocks 200, 300, 400, 500 and 600 miles off the coast of Australia!
If the media doesn't know where the rocks are how the hell are the Navy!?
After the little 'incident' with HMS Nottingham various newspapers (including Telegraph and Times) and television coverage described the rocks 200, 300, 400, 500 and 600 miles off the coast of Australia!
If the media doesn't know where the rocks are how the hell are the Navy!?
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Just for you I willl edit my profile in the morning so you can judge for yourself wether or not I am either Professional or linked to aviation. Will you talk to me if Iam both?
I think I qualify twice though as I am A perverted plonkah aswell but it wasn't me who started harping on about willies I believe that was you. Have a couple of magic pills and try and chill out. Didnt they teach you in training that when someone 'bites' it only encourages them.
Just for you I willl edit my profile in the morning so you can judge for yourself wether or not I am either Professional or linked to aviation. Will you talk to me if Iam both?
I think I qualify twice though as I am A perverted plonkah aswell but it wasn't me who started harping on about willies I believe that was you. Have a couple of magic pills and try and chill out. Didnt they teach you in training that when someone 'bites' it only encourages them.
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Do-nut if you are who I think you are you definatlley qualify as a perverted plonker, although I would hate to put out Alltimdoubts fire by also confirming your status as a chopper driver (which i think you bought.)
Not like you to cause a stir.
Thought you moved to Oz dop me an email.
Hope you die in agony on you next Birthday
Not like you to cause a stir.
Thought you moved to Oz dop me an email.
Hope you die in agony on you next Birthday
Do Nut Boy