Poppy Petition
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Poppy Petition
Scuse the banality but I have on occasion been known to sign a petition or two on behalf of various things
As such I get inundated daily by email from change or 38 degrees.....
Ho hum
Today's submission was from some Tonka nav John Nichol 😂 asking to sign a protest against Fifa over the poppy furore
I thought I'd check on the prune to see if I could find a linky and as I couldn't I thought I'd highlight its existence
If it is genuinely from the Baghdad Hilton guest ( we met once at Leeming but I doubt he remembers) then can I ask those willing to sign it please - if it is from someone pretending to be John then it needs investigating pronto.
Also can anyone with better it skills than I do a linky for me ?
Cheers, an fly safe
As such I get inundated daily by email from change or 38 degrees.....
Ho hum
Today's submission was from some Tonka nav John Nichol 😂 asking to sign a protest against Fifa over the poppy furore
I thought I'd check on the prune to see if I could find a linky and as I couldn't I thought I'd highlight its existence
If it is genuinely from the Baghdad Hilton guest ( we met once at Leeming but I doubt he remembers) then can I ask those willing to sign it please - if it is from someone pretending to be John then it needs investigating pronto.
Also can anyone with better it skills than I do a linky for me ?
Cheers, an fly safe
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Strangely I do actually find myself sort of agreeing with FIFA in this..
Just as a not possible example,
Suppose Al Qeada had formed a national Afghan team, were invited to a tournament and introduced a national day of mourning for their dead from 911, should they be allowed to wear a symbol on their national kit remembering their dead?
I think not, so I can understand the reluctance in all of this, allowing one sets a precedent, that said, they have allowed the poppy to be worn before and it does recognise the dead from both sides of a conflict without any politics in it all.
You could also argue under what FIFA is saying, that no team should wear their national badge or flag on their kit too.
Just as a not possible example,
Suppose Al Qeada had formed a national Afghan team, were invited to a tournament and introduced a national day of mourning for their dead from 911, should they be allowed to wear a symbol on their national kit remembering their dead?
I think not, so I can understand the reluctance in all of this, allowing one sets a precedent, that said, they have allowed the poppy to be worn before and it does recognise the dead from both sides of a conflict without any politics in it all.
You could also argue under what FIFA is saying, that no team should wear their national badge or flag on their kit too.
Just going by BBC News, FIFA have said no political or commercial symbols. Poppy is neither, so both teams IMHO should just go ahead. If the idiots at FIFA, who have difficulty managing their own business, complain, there is a perfect defence
My personal view on poppies is that they only really mean something when worn voluntarily, but in an age where they're automatically pinned by a production assistant onto anybody appearing on television at this time of year, shoehorned into corporate/promotional material etc., they're in danger of becoming our equivalent of those small American flags that US politicians wear, i.e. only conspicuous by their absence and less meaningful than they're actually intended to be.
I bet you anything that it's not the England players themselves that actually asked to be able to wear poppies on their kit, so are effectively having the "choice" forced on them...
I bet you anything that it's not the England players themselves that actually asked to be able to wear poppies on their kit, so are effectively having the "choice" forced on them...
I'm with Underbolt. A Poppy should be worn voluntarily. The 3 line whip by the BBC that everyone seen on the box must have a Poppy, 3 weeks or so before Remembrance Sunday undermines the whole principle (to me). Same goes for wearing them on sports kits.
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Well, here it is in all its glory. Immediate reaction is you'd be better off petitioning Putin to desist in his various foreign adventures. FIFA don't do democracy anyway. As has been pointed out, try presenting a brown paper envelope instead.
Totally agree with Underbolt and Parson. The point of the Poppy is Remembrance, a voluntary act or it is nothing. If I were an English player I'd be tempted to defy an edict to wear it on the field on principle, no matter what FIFA's response (if any).
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see if I could find a linky and as I couldn't I thought I'd highlight its existence
Totally agree with Underbolt and Parson. The point of the Poppy is Remembrance, a voluntary act or it is nothing. If I were an English player I'd be tempted to defy an edict to wear it on the field on principle, no matter what FIFA's response (if any).
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I bet you anything that it's not the England players themselves that actually asked to be able to wear poppies on their kit, so are effectively having the "choice" forced on them...
Has any member of either the England or Scotland asked not to wear the poppy?
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As I understand it they've all been told they can't by FIFA, so why should any of them have asked not to wear one anyway?
Has any member of either the England or Scotland asked not to wear the poppy?
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As I understand it they've all been told they can't by FIFA, so why should any of them have asked not to wear one anyway?
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My question refers to prior to the FIFA decisión. The players would have known as poppies were worn last year.
S37. Ah, not familiar enough with the issue I'm afraid. In which case I must echo others' comments re enforced wearing. When the TV companies began to vie with one one another to sport the first presenters of the news wearing the first Poppies of the year I began to feel uneasy. Never mind if these players objected to wearing them or not, did they pay for the ones worn anyway? Do those on the TV screen always pay for those pinned on them by those in attendance, or are they provided en-masse by the British Legion to publicise their appeal?
I'm troubled about all this. Giving used to be a private transaction between you and the lady with the tray of poppies, pins, and cash tin. Now its hyped up with online fixed price brooches, enormous ones that stay on the grille of vehicles until both go to the crusher together, a means of expressing our moral superiority over those who don't sport them, and now bloody foreigners who forbid them. British moral outrage in the ascendant? Spare us, Good Lord, from that we pray...
I'm troubled about all this. Giving used to be a private transaction between you and the lady with the tray of poppies, pins, and cash tin. Now its hyped up with online fixed price brooches, enormous ones that stay on the grille of vehicles until both go to the crusher together, a means of expressing our moral superiority over those who don't sport them, and now bloody foreigners who forbid them. British moral outrage in the ascendant? Spare us, Good Lord, from that we pray...
As a footie fan I completely agree with FIFA on this, every country can find a reason why they wish to commemorate something.
Over the last number of years a Repulic of Ireland player born in Northern Ireland has refused to wear a poppy in Premier League game and was open and honest about it, guy is a bit of a **** but reality is he is probably one of the few who was willing to be honest on the subject.
Everybody being forced to do it means it has little meaning.
Over the last number of years a Repulic of Ireland player born in Northern Ireland has refused to wear a poppy in Premier League game and was open and honest about it, guy is a bit of a **** but reality is he is probably one of the few who was willing to be honest on the subject.
Everybody being forced to do it means it has little meaning.
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1. Stuff football, FIFA and all the dirty money that swills around in its gutters.
2. Poppy is Remembrance of the Fallen, period. I'm sick of people playing the Race/Politics/Religion cards.
3. Branch Poppy Politics is a different issue, which is why we have 7 weeks off this year [and the next, etc.]
2. Poppy is Remembrance of the Fallen, period. I'm sick of people playing the Race/Politics/Religion cards.
3. Branch Poppy Politics is a different issue, which is why we have 7 weeks off this year [and the next, etc.]
@racedo, yes, other countries can find other things to commemorate. Like Ireland, who put a symbol recognising the 100th anniversary of the Easter rising on their shirts for a FiFA-sanctioned football game back in April.
I'm all for rules, but not double standards.
I'm all for rules, but not double standards.
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Normally I steer clear of any conversation on poppies...it brings out the weird in some people.
But I feel compelled to note...I am in complete agreement with Chug on this one
But I feel compelled to note...I am in complete agreement with Chug on this one
@racedo, yes, other countries can find other things to commemorate. Like Ireland, who put a symbol recognising the 100th anniversary of the Easter rising on their shirts for a FiFA-sanctioned football game back in April.
I'm all for rules, but not double standards.
I'm all for rules, but not double standards.
FIFA has previously allowed armbands to be worn, not shirts.
As for the Irish one, no idea, quite possibly Football Association of Ireland didn't bother to ask.
Typical FIFA trying to rob us of those golden memories of Charlton, Shilton and Beckham proudly wearing poppies on their shirts.
Oh, hang on a minute, no-one has ever done it before, I wonder why they want to start now, sounds a bit political to me.
Personally I take mine off at sunset on 11 November, about 3 hours before kick-off.
I still have my golden memories of St George's Day parties as a child though, now that the PC brigade have banned them.
Oh, hang on a minute etc etc
Oh, hang on a minute, no-one has ever done it before, I wonder why they want to start now, sounds a bit political to me.
Personally I take mine off at sunset on 11 November, about 3 hours before kick-off.
I still have my golden memories of St George's Day parties as a child though, now that the PC brigade have banned them.
Oh, hang on a minute etc etc