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Well.....The Scandis brought their Viggen to Leuchars a few years ago (with burner definately working!)- registered on the Swedish civvy register,
If this 104 gets a normal civilian registration, which surely must have already happened- then why not?
Here's hoping!
If this 104 gets a normal civilian registration, which surely must have already happened- then why not?
Here's hoping!
Originally Posted by AtomKraft
You couldn't call the RNoAFs' 104s 'Widow makers'.
I think I'm right in saying that statistically they were the safest 104 operator.
Hardly lost any, if I remember rightly- or was it fewest accidents/ losses per flying hour?
Anyway, the opposite of the Germans!
I think I'm right in saying that statistically they were the safest 104 operator.
Hardly lost any, if I remember rightly- or was it fewest accidents/ losses per flying hour?
Anyway, the opposite of the Germans!
Statistically, the Spanish were the safest, as they didn't loose any.... but they didn't operate them as long as most other AF's.
The Japanese had a low loss rate as well.
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The Spanish don't count!
They never bought any- and Ala 12 ( I think) only operated them for a wee while. They were then returned to the rightful owners, I expect.
There were no 104s that were 'Spanish' ones.
That said, I can't remember whose aircraft they borrowed. Think it was from the Germans???
Certainly, the one in the Museo del Aire at C-V, which is half painted as Spanish- is a Luftwaffe example- although not one that temporarily served Spain, I think!
I stand by my assertion that the Noggies were the safest.
They never bought any- and Ala 12 ( I think) only operated them for a wee while. They were then returned to the rightful owners, I expect.
There were no 104s that were 'Spanish' ones.
That said, I can't remember whose aircraft they borrowed. Think it was from the Germans???
Certainly, the one in the Museo del Aire at C-V, which is half painted as Spanish- is a Luftwaffe example- although not one that temporarily served Spain, I think!
I stand by my assertion that the Noggies were the safest.
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They did have good safety record, that is correct. (I don´t know ´rank`compared to the others) A former 104 pilot I talked to claimed that part of the reason is that all pilots that flew the F-104 in Norway had ample operational F-86, F-84 or F-5 experience before coming to the F-104/CF-104 squadrons. He claimed that other nations, like Germany, had more inexperienced pilots going straight from the training pipeline to the 104.
edit: It is on the civ register, LN-STF
edit: It is on the civ register, LN-STF
My late friend AVM Jim Flemming RAAF flew the F-104 in the late 50's with the USAF. He loved the aircraft. Superior in his opinion to the Mirage 111 which he flew and commanded a squadron, No 75.
Originally Posted by AtomKraft
The Spanish don't count!
They never bought any- and Ala 12 ( I think) only operated them for a wee while. They were then returned to the rightful owners, I expect.
There were no 104s that were 'Spanish' ones.
That said, I can't remember whose aircraft they borrowed. Think it was from the Germans???
They never bought any- and Ala 12 ( I think) only operated them for a wee while. They were then returned to the rightful owners, I expect.
There were no 104s that were 'Spanish' ones.
That said, I can't remember whose aircraft they borrowed. Think it was from the Germans???
as all theirs were supplied under MAP, as were all the ones supplied to the Danish, Greek, Jordanian, Taiwanese & Turkish AF’s.The Spanish ones were 18 x Canadair built, and 3 x Lockheed built. All were later transferred to Greece and Turkey.
Originally Posted by AtomKraft
I stand by my assertion that the Noggies were the safest.
The JASDF operated over 200 x F-104J’s between 1962 and 1986 and only lost 3 of them in that time!
The Noggies operated just 45 x F-104 between 1963 and 1982 and lost 12 of them.
Which is close to the same loss rate as fellow Nordic user, the Danish AF, who lost 13 out of 51 in a similar time frame.
BUT.....it's the Noggies that have put one back in the air
[quoteThe Japanese had much better operational record than the Noggies.
The JASDF operated over 200 x F-104J’s between 1962 and 1986 and only lost 3 of them in that time!
The Noggies operated just 45 x F-104 between 1963 and 1982 and lost 12 of them.
Which is close to the same loss rate as fellow Nordic user, the Danish AF, who lost 13 out of 51 in a similar time frame.
][/quote]
How many did the West Germans lose out of the how many hundreds they flew? I understand proportionally fewer than the other European NATO Air Arms!?
Also, regarding the Display Authorization, surely it is irrelevant whether the Norwegians or the Swedes apply or what they fly so long as they satisfy the requirements of the relevant authority. I trust that the Viggen and Draken weren't turned down this year because of the potency and sophistication of the aircraft? But then they would surely have allowed the Tunnan and SK60 which also cancelled their UK dates. Hopefully whatever got in the way this year will have been resolved in time for next year and we will see the Swedes and their impressive line up of Cold War Sky Warriors as well as the Noggie F-104!
FB
The JASDF operated over 200 x F-104J’s between 1962 and 1986 and only lost 3 of them in that time!
The Noggies operated just 45 x F-104 between 1963 and 1982 and lost 12 of them.
Which is close to the same loss rate as fellow Nordic user, the Danish AF, who lost 13 out of 51 in a similar time frame.
][/quote]
How many did the West Germans lose out of the how many hundreds they flew? I understand proportionally fewer than the other European NATO Air Arms!?
Also, regarding the Display Authorization, surely it is irrelevant whether the Norwegians or the Swedes apply or what they fly so long as they satisfy the requirements of the relevant authority. I trust that the Viggen and Draken weren't turned down this year because of the potency and sophistication of the aircraft? But then they would surely have allowed the Tunnan and SK60 which also cancelled their UK dates. Hopefully whatever got in the way this year will have been resolved in time for next year and we will see the Swedes and their impressive line up of Cold War Sky Warriors as well as the Noggie F-104!
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It's utter boleaux, but folk in the UK are used to it- or ought to be by now...
Last time I heard that lovely J-79 howl, was when a pair of F-104S arrived for the Leuchars show a few (?) years ago. Brought back memories, and its a magic sound.
Before that, I remember a guided tour of SAL one evening with my Dad, back when they were refurbishing the RCAF fleet. 104s were a common sight at Prestwick then, and featured in every visit. The chap showing us around a Starfighter under maintenance pointed to an exposed actuator in the fin- that's known as a 'Cadillac valve' he said. Costs the same as a Cadillac!
Still, the Worlds hottest fighter!
It's utter boleaux, but folk in the UK are used to it- or ought to be by now...
Last time I heard that lovely J-79 howl, was when a pair of F-104S arrived for the Leuchars show a few (?) years ago. Brought back memories, and its a magic sound.
Before that, I remember a guided tour of SAL one evening with my Dad, back when they were refurbishing the RCAF fleet. 104s were a common sight at Prestwick then, and featured in every visit. The chap showing us around a Starfighter under maintenance pointed to an exposed actuator in the fin- that's known as a 'Cadillac valve' he said. Costs the same as a Cadillac!
Still, the Worlds hottest fighter!
