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Old 23rd Jul 2016, 15:25
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Davef68, the Lightning had a belly? Any recess at the expense off fuel?
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Originally Posted by Mick Stability

At a time when there was conceived to be a real threat from a perceived bomber imbalance, the air to air N option was a sensible counter force.

We can't always review the decisions of the past throught the spectacles we wear today.
At the time they probably committed the sin of assuming the Russians would use the same tactics. The US plan was for a 9-ship cell of B29 with 4 weapons carriers, decoys and counter measures. A single NAA missile would be the perfect counter. If the Russians refused to use 9-ship cells then the ploy would fail

Then came the B47.
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At the time they probably committed the sin of assuming the Russians would use the same tactics.
And we did differently? Throughout my career in AD we had F4/F3 CAPing at 15K looking low with PD/FMICW looking for low fast bombers because that was what our Jags/Buccs/GR1s intended to do. But when the first USAF general looked around a Backfire and asked why there was no TFR he was told their intended tactic was to ingress at 50K plus supersonic under heavy EW to launch ASM at max range.

They'd have gone straight over the top unseen.....

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Wow RAFE, that photograph of the California ANG F-106 launching the Genie is superb!
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PN, been a few years since I saw the picture, but it was a recess in the forward end of the belly tank. Can't remember if it had the F6 larger belly tank or not.
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Old 25th Jul 2016, 19:35
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Seems they thought nuclear was the answer to everything back then!
Not just in warfare...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

The Atomic Automobile



And with optional tail fins. Well, it was the 50s!

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Old 25th Jul 2016, 20:01
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ORAC, the joke in the V-Force was always that ADEX rules were designed to give you targets not to actually get through. I remember King Pin exercises in mid-60s with mass raid of about 500 against 300 fighters (might have been 200). It was unrealistic for us as we were planning low level but seemingly matched the AD capability and threat.
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You know, the Voodoo was nuke armed, but had something lesser known that was nearly as insidious.

I flew T-33 target for the Niagara Falls ANG F-101s in 1971 while waiting for my F-101 checkout (which I passed on and moved on to another unit for a different machine).

One cold night, after a successful intercept on my chaff dispensing T-33 over Lake Ontario, I asked the 101 guy on my wing if he'd show me what the vaunted ID light looked like.

He said, "Are you sure?"

After I (regretfully as it turned out) said "Yes", and he switched it on, it took about 30 minutes to get my night vision back.

When the Deuce was out of ammo, their plan was to ram.....I think the Voodoo could have taken out the stragglers with the light.
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RAFEng, I cannot get enough of the California ANG F-106 picture.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 15:01
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OK465,

Have heard similar about the CF18!
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Davef,

You can tell I was being somewhat facetious, but that thing could have probably temporarily debilitated some guy in a Piper Aztec bringing in 'a couple of keys'.....although they generally come from the opposite direction from where CF-18s would be involved.

One of the Niagara one-oh-wonders got scrambled one night on something apparently uncooperative over Lake Ontario. They were given a SAGE "follow dolly" (follow ground datalink steering). They completed the intercept, turned on the light and read.....

.....MOHAWK AIRLINES

Light off, skulk away quickly.....passengers reported UFO.
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Old 26th Jul 2016, 20:19
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Great pic 32A.

Capts Roger Ayotte & Pete Pellow, 425 AW (F) Sqn, William Tell 1972
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TLB,

With a little research, I see that an RCAF 425 AW CF-101B crew (Butters/Danko) won the first ever awarded 'Top Gun' award at William Tell '72 in competition with F-102s & F-106s & other F-101s.....

.....none of which were actually equipped with a gun.

(admittedly the concept of shooting an arrow at an apple on someone's head pales in contrast to a weapon that could take out the entire orchard and associated surroundings )

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OK465,

In all modesty, I must admit - that would be me. My back-seater at the time - Doug Danko - also my best friend & brother-in-law - re-mustered as pilot and unfortunately was killed in a CF-104 accident in Germany in 1977.
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Respects to both of you.

There's a number of interesting accomplished folks on this forum, both mil & civ.
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