Vulcan to the Sky Trust to return Canberra WK163 to display flight
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Unfortunately RR were not willing to continue, even in the event that Marshalls had been.
I'll ask MW whether he considers himself misquoted, next time I see him.
wonderboysteve, this is actually only partly true. Martin Withers was asked the exact reason for ceasing flying in an event I attended and this is what he said as I recall.
It was Marshalls who were unwilling to continue OEM support beyond 2015. VTTS did find an alternative company (Cranfield) who were willing to assume the role, but Cranfield were not acceptable to RR. So you could argue it was Marshall's that pulled the plug rather than RR, as RR were willing to continue further if Marshalls had not withdrawn. The remaining engines, through careful management, had sufficient life for a few more seasons.
It was Marshalls who were unwilling to continue OEM support beyond 2015. VTTS did find an alternative company (Cranfield) who were willing to assume the role, but Cranfield were not acceptable to RR. So you could argue it was Marshall's that pulled the plug rather than RR, as RR were willing to continue further if Marshalls had not withdrawn. The remaining engines, through careful management, had sufficient life for a few more seasons.
I'll ask MW whether he considers himself misquoted, next time I see him.
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Quite rightly too, better to have ended on a high while the going was good, than to risk it all for one extra season....
Still we do have this to watch fly
And damned impressive it was
Sorry the second shot is not as good, but I was shooting half way down the runway.
Still we do have this to watch fly
And damned impressive it was
Sorry the second shot is not as good, but I was shooting half way down the runway.
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I believe that the silica gel practice came about as a result of VTTS failing to prevent corrosion on turbine discs by proper storage. RR's first reaction to the degree of corrosion was to scrap them. I think they did get around to some form of recovery eventually. While I wasn't involved, I believe RR was not too happy about the competence of VTTS which may have coloured their view of the change from Marshalls. I believe the CAA would have also had to approve the change to Cranfield; did they have any issues?
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wonderboysteve,
its certainly my recollection of MW's explanation, he made the point more than once, that it was Marshall's decision to discontinue which triggered the end of flight and RR would have continued (but not with anyone else such as Cranfield). It sounds like you know him personally and may have heard things differently. If I've misunderstood I apologise - his comments were made at the Vulcan Restoration Trust Christmas event so a good 40 or 50 others in the room also listened to what he said, they may have heard differently to me, though he seemed quite clear to me.
Nutloose, I have also wondered the same thing. The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence, to say the least.
Anyway, whether RR or Marshalls felt enough was enough, or whether it was a joint decision hardly matters now.
its certainly my recollection of MW's explanation, he made the point more than once, that it was Marshall's decision to discontinue which triggered the end of flight and RR would have continued (but not with anyone else such as Cranfield). It sounds like you know him personally and may have heard things differently. If I've misunderstood I apologise - his comments were made at the Vulcan Restoration Trust Christmas event so a good 40 or 50 others in the room also listened to what he said, they may have heard differently to me, though he seemed quite clear to me.
Nutloose, I have also wondered the same thing. The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence, to say the least.
Anyway, whether RR or Marshalls felt enough was enough, or whether it was a joint decision hardly matters now.
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" The Silica gel incident couldn't have built confidence"
if we are leaning towards RR I'd say pot kettle and black!
if we are leaning towards RR I'd say pot kettle and black!
Please feel free to elaborate. Don't be shy about including any facts, as opposed to your freely given opinion.
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Does this mean that VTTS are no longer involved withe the 'Peoples Mosquito' project?
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I wonder if anyone has got the Canberra to the sky website and registered it before them
TPM a Registered Charity ? Reg marks G-FBVI reserved ? wing ribs update ? The People's Mosquito
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Someone in Italy owns the following. Registered 5th May 2016
Canberratothesky.org - Canberratothesky
I wonder if anyone has got the Canberra to the sky website and registered it before them
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Canberra aircraft in Peru
Will visit Pisco tomorrow, a city where a peruvian air force military base is located, to accompany a colleague that has just bought three complete Canberra aircraft from them. Peru was a fleet user of the type. We will be there for coordinations and pictures will be available. Does anyone know of someone interested in Canberra parts or engines?
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Interesting news Kwick, I would be interested to know which jets he got as the Peruvians bought a batch of the RAF B(I).8s in the mid 70s.
Still wish someone had not decided to get rid of the one we had at Cosford
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Still wish someone had not decided to get rid of the one we had at Cosford
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FAP Canberra's Fuerza Aerea del Peru - IPMS UK Canberra SIG
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Out of interest as I have been on an extended vacation for a while, are you aware that the Vulcan, Canberra in a partially stripped down state, their tooling and equipment are currently residing outside near the sewerage works, they also have I believe deinhibited the engines as well and as they have no engineers anymore the chances of them being inhibited is probably rare.
Worse than the Canberra having the Horizontal tail off is the wings are open too, they haven't even done what any engineer would have done and taped it all up to protect it. Unless taken beforehand I suppose.
so you are left with this open to the elements
Worse than the Canberra having the Horizontal tail off is the wings are open too, they haven't even done what any engineer would have done and taped it all up to protect it. Unless taken beforehand I suppose.
so you are left with this open to the elements