Cameron attacks race bias
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I also had the benefit of the APS, and now teach in an independent school. But the cost of school fees has rocketed in that time, and either the APS budget would have had to to increase, or the number of kids funded drop, to make the books balance.
WHY the fees have shot up is a different question...
WHY the fees have shot up is a different question...
And quite a few Nepalese, which probably skews the Army % a little.
tmmorris The answer to your question is of course China (and to a lesser extent Russia). I taught at Marlborough for a brief spell, and the first of a wave of Russian and Chinese pupils had just arrived. I was teaching Russian and I was rather nervous to discover that I had a Russian boy in the class of 13 year olds I took. I was relieved when I discovered that he had told his classmates that my Russian was "quite good"! I also taught a Chinese 6th former who was a delightful lad, but who, I discovered, could have bought everything I owned out of the change in his back pocket. There must be a great temptation for public schools to milk the insatiable demand for an English public school education from wealthy Chinese, etc, but if they are not careful they are going to price out all but the wealthiest in this country, which would be a shame.
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My old school has adopted the sensible policy of having a finite cap (12% from memory) of non-UK pupils. (It has very strong demand and can afford to be choosy). IMHO this sort of cap is essential to retain the ethos of these schools (and the sanity of their teachers!).
My old school has adopted the sensible policy of having a finite cap (12% from memory) of non-UK pupils. (It has very strong demand and can afford to be choosy). IMHO this sort of cap is essential to retain the ethos of these schools (and the sanity of their teachers!).
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Way back in 1977 there was a fine young man (Mike P.), who looked "black", on 31 PTC in the old Rhodesian Air Force - he got through as a pilot (and of course as an officer) - that country worked on merit.
However with 24 Africans to one ethnic European affirmative action would not have worked well back then - the whites kept it going as a functional country, did they not?
Out of Trim posted an interesting one:
<<Pass the question back to Camoron.. How many black Prime Ministers have we had?>>
Now I am sure that black people are a higher percentage of the UK population than Jews, yet Cameron is not the first prime minister with Jewish roots, is he?
But of course he (along with all "western" leaders) is committed to promoting multiculturalism, is he not?
BTW I recall Colin Powell being quoted as saying, when asked about his career success as a black man, something like "I'm not all that black".
You don't have to be a racist bigot to be concerned that every part of your national makeup has been systematically dismantled without debate let alone referendum in our democracies since WW2 - if the argument is that "we don't want nationalism to raise its ugly head again" then I say destroying the nation state to achieve that aim is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
However with 24 Africans to one ethnic European affirmative action would not have worked well back then - the whites kept it going as a functional country, did they not?
Out of Trim posted an interesting one:
<<Pass the question back to Camoron.. How many black Prime Ministers have we had?>>
Now I am sure that black people are a higher percentage of the UK population than Jews, yet Cameron is not the first prime minister with Jewish roots, is he?
But of course he (along with all "western" leaders) is committed to promoting multiculturalism, is he not?
BTW I recall Colin Powell being quoted as saying, when asked about his career success as a black man, something like "I'm not all that black".
You don't have to be a racist bigot to be concerned that every part of your national makeup has been systematically dismantled without debate let alone referendum in our democracies since WW2 - if the argument is that "we don't want nationalism to raise its ugly head again" then I say destroying the nation state to achieve that aim is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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TTN, my old school folded after 430 years. Recently it had increased its rolls, admitted girls, but ultimately faced fewer new pupils. I don't know what did for it except rising costs. I don't think foreign students was the main driver but HMC wage comparators could have been the final straw.
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Right - no stupid comments please!
I see in the BBC News Cameron attacks race bias in courts and universities - BBC News that DC has 'warned the police, the courts and the armed forces they also had to act' on the issue, noting that 'there are no black generals in the UK armed forces'.
Personally, I always thought that people were promoted in the UK Armed Forces purely on merit.....
I see in the BBC News Cameron attacks race bias in courts and universities - BBC News that DC has 'warned the police, the courts and the armed forces they also had to act' on the issue, noting that 'there are no black generals in the UK armed forces'.
Personally, I always thought that people were promoted in the UK Armed Forces purely on merit.....
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Slight thread drift, but this: Research | Online Exhibitions | Pilots of the Caribbean may be of interest.
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"Service humour..?" Ah yes, beagle. The trouble with that is, context is everything. I'm prepared to believe your rock-ape jape may have been genuine humour. How about the marine forced to carry a spear on exercise and undergo a "special n****r initiation ceremony" or a Household Cavalry trooper (rather,THE Household Cavalry trooper) who had a banana thrown at him? These were all excused as service humour by the perpetrators. There was even a little banana joke (bunch of...) earlier in this thread. Ho ho! Which brings us back to your tale of a Jamaican student-pilot allocated call sign "Sambo" and yes I am aware the instructor was of Asian origin. I can assure you that this wouldn't wash in any other environment. This isn't mud slung by some race lobbyist; unbelievably it's your own "evidence" of the rosy state of race relations in the present-day services.
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Shot, sadly the issue is perception.
The remark, perfectly true as it happens,"you're looking a little off colour today" may be a funny quip but noir appreciated by the recipient.
"I like your new hair do" may be interpreted as "you're old hair do was cr^p"
"Thank you dear" rather than "ta mate"
And of course it is not necessarily the recipient that may be affronted.
The remark, perfectly true as it happens,"you're looking a little off colour today" may be a funny quip but noir appreciated by the recipient.
"I like your new hair do" may be interpreted as "you're old hair do was cr^p"
"Thank you dear" rather than "ta mate"
And of course it is not necessarily the recipient that may be affronted.
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When my same UK/Jamaican chum ran out of anti-G pressure on the range, back in the crew room he announced "I almost blacked out pulling out of the next strafe dive".....
"Almost?" came the reply.
"Ah bugger, you know what I meant!" he responded, with his usual chuckle.
"Almost?" came the reply.
"Ah bugger, you know what I meant!" he responded, with his usual chuckle.
Likewise from ethnically African paratroop following little zero (that's all we will admit to) g event on trooping flight:
"I turned white back there and it ain't a pleasant experience!"
"I turned white back there and it ain't a pleasant experience!"
Further to the reference to Pilots of the Caribbean, this link might be of interest. Ulric Cross was the most senior black aircrew officer in the RAF during the war, and the most decorated. I met Ulric Cross at the Pathfinders 50th in 1992 which we ran at RAF Wyton. At that stage he was High Commissioner for Trinidad and Tobago, and also his country's Ambassador to both Germany and France. He was without doubt one of the most impressive people I have ever met.
Ulric Cross - Telegraph
Ulric Cross - Telegraph
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The same sort of sensitive soul who might think that the nickname given to an Indian navigator at Brize was patronising....
It was 'Chartwallah' - and he thought it was excellent!
One day the phone rang in the crewroom. It was some Fighter Controller person-formerly-known-as-WRAF who wanted to know when sunset would fall at the Taj Mahal in a few weeks time, when her parents would be there on holiday.
So we looked for a navigator who would have a copy of the Maniac to hand - and the first one we found was Chartwallah. He had the whole room in hysterics as he put on some Peter Sellers 'goodness gracious me' accent as he spoke to her about how he had studied under some learned professor at the University of Bombay and was 'looking in his books' for her answer. One of the co-pilots nearly passed a kidney as Chartwallah kept us his 'Indian' monologue for several minutes, finally concluding 'Ah, dear lady, I am now finding the answer'......
It was 'Chartwallah' - and he thought it was excellent!
One day the phone rang in the crewroom. It was some Fighter Controller person-formerly-known-as-WRAF who wanted to know when sunset would fall at the Taj Mahal in a few weeks time, when her parents would be there on holiday.
So we looked for a navigator who would have a copy of the Maniac to hand - and the first one we found was Chartwallah. He had the whole room in hysterics as he put on some Peter Sellers 'goodness gracious me' accent as he spoke to her about how he had studied under some learned professor at the University of Bombay and was 'looking in his books' for her answer. One of the co-pilots nearly passed a kidney as Chartwallah kept us his 'Indian' monologue for several minutes, finally concluding 'Ah, dear lady, I am now finding the answer'......
Beags - That is priceless and what British humour is all about. I wonder if said nav' had been on the Herc' back in the day?
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In fact one of them does post on PPrune; I won't give his nom-de-plume away.
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When Gorbachev came to chat with Maggy at Brize, most people were told to Foxtrot Oscar, leaving just a few essential personnel to cope with things.
Chartwallah elected to spend the afternoon sorting out his front garden. Spotting Raisa being driven through Cartoontown, he gave her a friendly wave...
"Smart move, Chartwallah", one chap remarked, "Now she'll go back to Gorbi' and tell him that the Brits still have slaves toiling in the fields!".....
Chartwallah elected to spend the afternoon sorting out his front garden. Spotting Raisa being driven through Cartoontown, he gave her a friendly wave...
"Smart move, Chartwallah", one chap remarked, "Now she'll go back to Gorbi' and tell him that the Brits still have slaves toiling in the fields!".....
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Quite how the PM can comment on elitism, and with a straight face, actually doesn't surprise me. I don't think people in the military make it on merit anyway, its more about survival, luck and being seen to do the right thing at the right time. Got to put on an accent as well. Theres' some realy very good uns, but also some shockers.
How come we have black sportsmen, who can compete and win at the highest level in the world, but not a one can make it as an officer? In the RN I don't think I ever met a black aircrew officer, nor a black OOW. One or two SD's - who were what they were.
Long, long way to go in Britain. In fact, we are going backwards.
How come we have black sportsmen, who can compete and win at the highest level in the world, but not a one can make it as an officer? In the RN I don't think I ever met a black aircrew officer, nor a black OOW. One or two SD's - who were what they were.
Long, long way to go in Britain. In fact, we are going backwards.