SU-34 production line photos...

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by Jayand

Hangarshuffle,
"also a very basic level of health and safety at the plant" What are you basing that on???

Observation.
No gloves, eye protection, bump hats... note riveter with ear protection but no one else has...working at height fall protection or crash mats [!]..segregation of admin and tech bays from production line to prevent FOD migration..using graphite pencils to mark out quality issues...again no hearing protection when cleaning the sheeties **** up,.. footwear varies from trainers to shoes..access panels left open and not blanked [fod traps esp engine bays]..four men on a wing...etc,etc...

[Above The Clouds]

Just because they do not go over board with some of the ridiculous H&S nonsense that has taken over the UK industry to point of strangulation, doesn't mean its an unsafe environment.

[Jayand]

Is this a wind up?
No gloves, eye protection, bump hats... note riveter with ear protection but no one else has...working at height fall protection or crash mats [!]..segregation of admin and tech bays from production line to prevent FOD migration..using graphite pencils to mark out quality issues...again no hearing protection when cleaning the sheeties **** up,.. footwear varies from trainers to shoes..access panels left open and not blanked [fod traps esp engine bays]..four men on a wing...etc,etc...
Why do they need gloves? eye protection only needed when actually using the power tools not when just looking at stuff, fall protection, they are standing on a raised work platform, how can you tell what type of pencils being used? the open panels are probably being worked on and why on earth is four men on a wing an issue?
Go to any aircraft production line or maintenance facility and it will look very similar.

[AR1]

Lovely looking piece of kit! - Always had an eye for aesthetic right back to SU-7/17
In my opinion anyhow.

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by Jayand

Is this a wind up?
No gloves, eye protection, bump hats... note riveter with ear protection but no one else has...working at height fall protection or crash mats [!]..segregation of admin and tech bays from production line to prevent FOD migration..using graphite pencils to mark out quality issues...again no hearing protection when cleaning the sheeties **** up,.. footwear varies from trainers to shoes..access panels left open and not blanked [fod traps esp engine bays]..four men on a wing...etc,etc...
Why do they need gloves? eye protection only needed when actually using the power tools not when just looking at stuff, fall protection, they are standing on a raised work platform, how can you tell what type of pencils being used? the open panels are probably being worked on and why on earth is four men on a wing an issue?
Go to any aircraft production line or maintenance facility and it will look very similar.

ROFL! Health and Safety isn't about being a hard case

[wub]

I took some photos of one of these beasts at Farnborough in 2000. I remember being surprised at the poor quality finish, particularly of the radome:

[Jayand]

typhoon production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
Things in the west look pretty similar, no hats, no gloves, no glasses and jeans and trainers.
It is not about being a hard case but rather the right kit for the right job.

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by Jayand

typhoon production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
boeing production line - Bing images
Things in the west look pretty similar, no hats, no gloves, no glasses and jeans and trainers.
It is not about being a hard case but rather the right kit for the right job.

But it isn't about PPE is it?
It's about complacency, being my brothers keeper.
And in some cases, sheer deliberate disobedience of engineering, work instructions, and company policy.

This the thing is, er, Jayand all it takes is a serious personal injury and the floodgates open, and to be honest, I've had enough hand eye, and other injuries over 29 plus years to be FIRMLY on the side of compulsory PPE wearing.

Having worked in some other Industrial sectors, I am always dismayed at the casual acceptance of personal injury risk in the aircraft maintenence and production operations.
The driver? getting the job done and taking shortcuts usually to save time.

How about long term skin problems due to exposure to the chemicals etc in daily use? You don't have to be applying the stuff to get in contact with it.

Hearing loss, Sheeties tearing the place up with airtools but no one gets issued the same level of hearing protection....

Falling from an aircraft is just the same as falling anywhere else.

etc,etc.

rgds

gr

[JFZ90]

whats in the tailcone then?

i always assumed - without really looking - it was some form of dass, but it looks more like an apu?

ps nice pics, thanks

[Kitbag]

Certainly looks like an APU exhaust. Possible flare dispensers on the lower surface, or maybe just access panels?

[newt]

I think I have noticed a view on several threads that the younger generation really believe that being stealthy is the best way forward! If you look at stealth in depth it is obvious that it produces slow, less manoeuvrable aircraft that are limited to weapons carried internally! If the enemy is equipped with fast agile aircraft fitted with lots of external stores then the effect of pure stealth can be eliminated! Certainly, the Russians do not think stealth is the answer! Numbers rule for them and I'm tempted to agree

[Rhino power]

Originally Posted by JFZ90

whats in the tailcone then?

ECM and RWR gear...

-RP

[TEEEJ]

Su-34 showing auxiliary power unit in tail cone.

[TEEEJ]

Some large images of the Su-34 at following links.

http://russianplanes.net/images/to173000/172200.jpg

http://www.planephotos.net/photos/85...i-Su-34_38.jpg

[Bevo]

Originally Posted by TEEEJ

Su-34 showing auxiliary power unit in tail cone.

Must have an interesting affect on center of gravity.

[Tourist]

Originally Posted by newt

Certainly, the Russians do not think stealth is the answer!

I think they might think that there is more than one answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_PAK_FA

[LowObservable]

Bevo - it balances out the two-pilot cockpit, Elsan and what-have-you in the nose.

[AR1]

I think they might think that there is more than one answer.

If only the yanks had realised that all you had to do to reduce RCS was to PAINT the angles on it...

[sandiego89]

glad rag: Observation.
No gloves, eye protection, bump hats... note riveter with ear protection but no one else has...working at height fall protection or crash mats [!]..segregation of admin and tech bays from production line to prevent FOD migration..using graphite pencils to mark out quality issues...again no hearing protection when cleaning the sheeties **** up,.. footwear varies from trainers to shoes..access panels left open and not blanked [fod traps esp engine bays]..four men on a wing...etc,etc...

And look at this worker- blatant disregard for safety!
Eating on the job!
Eye protection not in place!
No hearing protection!
Trousers rolled up- entanglemant hazzard!
Jewelry/wristband!
Jewelry/buttons on overalls- projectile hazzard, puncture hazzard!
Air hose frayed!
No gloves!
Exposed forearms!
No safety wiring on air hose connection!
Sitting on unapproved structure- fall hazzard!
No steel toed shoes!

Call OSHA!!!- shut Rosie Down!!!!

[Just a spotter]

This might interest (or at least mildly entertain) some along this thread

www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxsJlm8cFg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWLef0hbZg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAfwKBee2EU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCVXMVrVxxo

JAS