Hospital moves RAF man over ‘offensive’ uniform
Excuse me, but as a WASRC (work it out) could I ask that we drop this business of using WASP to indicate somebody who is white and Anglo Saxon (whatever that last bit means)? I may not go to mass much these days, but I haven't joined Welby's bunch yet, so less of the WASP please! In any case, if they werent pagans, Anglo Saxons were by definition all WASRCs, because there werent any P's around then!
TTN, I do believe that WASP is intended to be pejorative inasmuch as those horrible whites hate everyone else, Prods are probably Right Wing and wasps just sting and contribute nothing.
Bas - WASA (or could be WCA)
Bas - WASA (or could be WCA)
Starbucks - I withdraw my comment unreservedly. And I hope they employ lots of former armed forces personnel
The hospital - well I could not say "black" or "muslim" could I .....real hiding to nothing
I just think as a one off the hospital f@cked up, and have apologised - if it happens again, someone gets strung up (One is unfortunate, twice looks like carelessness", as someone once wrote
The hospital - well I could not say "black" or "muslim" could I .....real hiding to nothing
I just think as a one off the hospital f@cked up, and have apologised - if it happens again, someone gets strung up (One is unfortunate, twice looks like carelessness", as someone once wrote
TTN and others - reminds me of the order from the CWO at the Towers on I think a Founder's Day parade - "Roman Catholics and other non-Christians, fall ooooouuuuut" as his voice tailed away, as he realised what he had actually said!
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The Hospital has apologised and suggested that the action was taken in the interests of the Sgt's safety.
This may sound like a laudable action, but it is also an indication of a deep rooted political correctness which fails to challenge unacceptable attitudes towards Service Personnel by those who enjoy the safety and opportunity of life in this Country due to the efforts of Service Personnel over the years.
I have E-mailed the Chief Exec - perhaps other may wish to do the same:
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I wonder if any leadership on this issue will be shown by the Service Chiefs?
This may sound like a laudable action, but it is also an indication of a deep rooted political correctness which fails to challenge unacceptable attitudes towards Service Personnel by those who enjoy the safety and opportunity of life in this Country due to the efforts of Service Personnel over the years.
I have E-mailed the Chief Exec - perhaps other may wish to do the same:
[email protected]
I wonder if any leadership on this issue will be shown by the Service Chiefs?
As an ex SNCO of a few years service, I personally would have told the hospital staff where to place their "suggestion", though I have to accept that the Sgt was injured, and probably open to suggestion to those he placed his trust in. What is fairly obvious is the contradiction of Government policy, which closed our military hospitals, herds our servicemen in to the NHS, to be treated as lepers as they turn up in A & E. I hope this chap is recovering well, I wish the @rsehole who created the stupid situation well in his new career! Ahh, of course NHS have a no blame culture, they can kill you and not be blamed.
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"Fall out, the Roman Catholics and Jews" was alive and well in '53 in the RAF (presumably the Other Denominations had to listen to the "God-Botherer" whether they liked it or not).
At Thornaby my C.O. (Wing Commander David Brown DSO, and I (the RC one), his Adjutant, stood at ease at the rear of the parade, backs turned to it while the padre said his spiel.
Then: "Fall in, the Roman Catholics and Jews"; we came smartly to attention, about-turned and marched back to our places at the head of the parade.
Danny.
"Fall out, the Roman Catholics and Jews" was alive and well in '53 in the RAF (presumably the Other Denominations had to listen to the "God-Botherer" whether they liked it or not).
At Thornaby my C.O. (Wing Commander David Brown DSO, and I (the RC one), his Adjutant, stood at ease at the rear of the parade, backs turned to it while the padre said his spiel.
Then: "Fall in, the Roman Catholics and Jews"; we came smartly to attention, about-turned and marched back to our places at the head of the parade.
Danny.
This one, misplaced and il-thought out incident should not be used to represent the NHS at large. One of the main reasons the Service hospitals were closed down almost 20 years ago was because of the difficulty in remaining current and modern (and the eye watering price tag associated with this).
Over the last 5 1/2 years, as a SP, I have had to make a lot of use of the NHS, (being flown back to the UK specifically) and also attending a number of outpatient appointments in uniform. I have always had a positive response to being in uniform, albeit a few curious stares. At my last (fortunately, my last) appointment with the consultant (who, purely coincidentally, was a Col L/RAMC) I ended up having a very long conversation with a young guy in the waiting area who asked very intelligent questions about UK foreign and defence policy. He was a bit confrontational but at the end he slapped me on the back and thanked me for doing what I do. This was also the first time a member of the public has ever said that to me. He said he'd never spoken to anyone in the military before (and I'm not sure being RAF counts!).
So forgive me my initial scepticism about this story...not all NHS Trusts are the same and I am sure in this case the staff member was trying to be helpful, given the varying accounts of the incident that are now floating around.
Over the last 5 1/2 years, as a SP, I have had to make a lot of use of the NHS, (being flown back to the UK specifically) and also attending a number of outpatient appointments in uniform. I have always had a positive response to being in uniform, albeit a few curious stares. At my last (fortunately, my last) appointment with the consultant (who, purely coincidentally, was a Col L/RAMC) I ended up having a very long conversation with a young guy in the waiting area who asked very intelligent questions about UK foreign and defence policy. He was a bit confrontational but at the end he slapped me on the back and thanked me for doing what I do. This was also the first time a member of the public has ever said that to me. He said he'd never spoken to anyone in the military before (and I'm not sure being RAF counts!).
So forgive me my initial scepticism about this story...not all NHS Trusts are the same and I am sure in this case the staff member was trying to be helpful, given the varying accounts of the incident that are now floating around.
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It is quite simple, if you are offended by the uniform of any of HM armed forces you are living in the wrong country.
It is quite simple to move to a place that you won't see the you uniform that is so offensive to you but you will have to do without the NHS, Social security, the rule of law, freedom of speech, local authority services............
It is quite simple to move to a place that you won't see the you uniform that is so offensive to you but you will have to do without the NHS, Social security, the rule of law, freedom of speech, local authority services............
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It's not PC it's common sense.
I would ask those who so stoutly defame the front line NHS workers to re-read post #32 and ask themselves just what were the staff supposed to do with the serviceman who, in all probably, couldn't see??
Incidentally having received eye injuries before, trust me, you are pretty much incapacitated through pain, reaction and obviously, loss of vision.
Incidentally having received eye injuries before, trust me, you are pretty much incapacitated through pain, reaction and obviously, loss of vision.
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The Sgt could see when he was in the hospital: he'd already had an eye flush on the one affected eye but there was concern enough to be checked properly for damage. He was back within hours, OK but inflamed.
There were members of the public present in the hospital criticising the hospital staff for their treatment of him, though they don't appear to have made the news.
There were members of the public present in the hospital criticising the hospital staff for their treatment of him, though they don't appear to have made the news.
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Prayer-mats during a firefight.
Barnstormer,
That post WAS a bit tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps I should have added a smiley.
I don't know how ISIS and the Taliban get on in such circumstances.
I has been my observation, though, that some fundamentalist muslims will, at the drop of a hat,
(in much the same way that a dog with a flea to scratch does), abandon any situational awareness
and responsibility in order to fulfil a 'duty'.
A couple of years ago, I was directing the unloading of furniture from a truck through the main entrance of
an office building (ironically, News Limited).
Everything is going well, when along comes one of our be-robed middle-eastern brethren.
Now, he's determined that the time and place to unroll his prayer-mat and undertake his devotions is
on the footpath right between the truck and the doorway.
No amount of entreaty and cajoling could get him to do it elsewhere, even just a few metres away.
So, everything came to a standstill with the crew just standing around until he'd eventually made his peace with
Allah, packed up his kit and shuffled off.
Welcome to our 'multicultural' society.
That post WAS a bit tongue-in-cheek. Perhaps I should have added a smiley.
I don't know how ISIS and the Taliban get on in such circumstances.
I has been my observation, though, that some fundamentalist muslims will, at the drop of a hat,
(in much the same way that a dog with a flea to scratch does), abandon any situational awareness
and responsibility in order to fulfil a 'duty'.
A couple of years ago, I was directing the unloading of furniture from a truck through the main entrance of
an office building (ironically, News Limited).
Everything is going well, when along comes one of our be-robed middle-eastern brethren.
Now, he's determined that the time and place to unroll his prayer-mat and undertake his devotions is
on the footpath right between the truck and the doorway.
No amount of entreaty and cajoling could get him to do it elsewhere, even just a few metres away.
So, everything came to a standstill with the crew just standing around until he'd eventually made his peace with
Allah, packed up his kit and shuffled off.
Welcome to our 'multicultural' society.
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Was anybody here actually present? If not, you don't know what was said/done, and certainly don't know why.
We not supposed to comment then? In a pig's eye . . . (note choice of animal)