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Hawker Hunter Crash at Shoreham Airshow

Old 4th Mar 2017, 07:31
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Overall, I am not impressed with the analysis of engine performance in the whole report.
Likewise, though I do appreciate that with the lack of a FDR the analysis will be bleedin difficult.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 08:06
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In a number of places, the AAIB report mentions "visual limitations, such as contrast and glare".

Interestingly, in the aftermath of a fatal accident in 2003, MoD stated that only the effect of direct light, not glare or reflections, need be considered in an aircraft's design. If this were still a military aircraft, those references would not be permitted in the report; although I'd like to think the AAIB would insist.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 08:35
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MPN11. Who knows. But he still entered the manoeuvre far too low.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 08:49
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Entry too low/slow, power insufficient, not realizing situation at the loop top and then '1/2 cubaning' out - rest is padding, but all excellent background.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 08:50
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The problem with display flying as with any other types of "demanding" flying close to the limits, you need to be doing it almost full time and be very current. Both with the maneuvers and a/c type.

The CAA plan to implement "higher qualifications" is certainly a step in the right direction.

Takes a lots b***s to be a display pilot, as if you screw up, the world is watching. Everyone's worst nightmare is to involve the innocent, when you screw up.
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Old 4th Mar 2017, 15:52
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I refer to my #1746 ...

Crash pilot ?forgot which jet he was in? | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

I obviously defer to experts here, especially those who fly several different types on a regular basis.

I would however note that I have been driving for over 50 years. In the last decade, I have driven may more miles in the USA than in UK/Jersey, and in a wide variety of rental cars. I quite frequently have to press the "THINK" button to remember where I am, where the necessary switch is, and what the local rules are. My best 'fail' was a couple of days after returning from the US, where I blithely left a multi-storey using the 'UP' ramp. Now if that can happen doing perfectly ordinary car-driving, can we evaluate the challenges of aero displays in different aircraft types?

No, it's NOT old age, I suggest it's just the most recent mental imprint that causes the problem.
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