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Hawker Hunter Crash at Shoreham Airshow

Old 23rd Dec 2015, 08:48
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Most shelf life has a certain amount of wiggle room built in, but I wouldn't like to put my trust in something designed to save my life that has l/x components fitted. That's a huge list of kit from flying clothing to fuel tanks and not just seat carts.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 08:52
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If you offered me a ride in a Hunter with no ejection seat whatsoever, I'd take it. I wouldn't be putting anybody else at risk. I don't see a big issue here in practical terms, and wouldn't extrapolate to a judgement of the rest of the maintenance from this single issue.
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Old 23rd Dec 2015, 09:29
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I don't think we are in disagreement, the kit should be in a position to do what is says on the tin.

But if you have a big change of operating conditions it is appropriate to review the time you keep an item in service. As I said above this review could reduce or extend service life as appropriate to the conditions.
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Whilst it is true that the operating conditions for the components have changed, which MAY affect installed life, you will also note that the shelf life remains a limiting factor and I doubt storage conditions are significantly different. Moreover, as there are neither data nor a proper evaluation of installed life under the new operating condition it is not possible to calculate a new installed life.

I am commenting here purely on the practicalities of component life, NOT any process that is, or has been, in place.
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Old 21st Jan 2016, 13:47
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Shoreham Airshow Cancelled for 2016.

Shoreham Airshow Cancelled After 2015 Disaster
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 17:42
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For all you self-professed accident experts.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch will shortly be advertising for an Inspector of Air Accidents (Operations). Given the level of expertise here, I thought you might like to know.
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 19:18
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Originally Posted by Courtney Mil
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch will shortly be advertising for an Inspector of Air Accidents (Operations). Given the level of expertise here, I thought you might like to know.
The sarcasm dripping from that post nearly melted my monitor.
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Old 1st Feb 2016, 19:42
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Well I was the SFSO South Atlantic and Ops 1 at Stanley/MPA when the C130 collided with the Sea King, and had a very interesting and eventful couple of months.

But that was over 30 years ago........
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I had occasion to contact the CAA about 20 years ago. My POC was an ex-Wellington Nav so 30 years is nothing.
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Breaking on BBC South East News -

The police investigation is being extended to include an incident at an airshow in Southport, Lancashire in 2014.

No further details atm, but one wonders whether the same pilot, aircraft or combination of both was involved.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-35473857

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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 13:16
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Southport 2014. This one? (go to 2:10 onwards)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHngQ8TmqU4
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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 14:52
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I think you mean this one.

https://youtu.be/RwhLSHpeiE8

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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 14:57
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Watched that (GCB's video) twice and didn't see anything that made me wince or anything like that. BBC does not state which a/c involved, but TV promised more on tonight's bulletin, which I won't see due to a clash with something else. I will see the ITV local bulletin at 6pm though, so will report any developments from there.

Now to watch ATC's video.

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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 15:05
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ATC's video does show the a/c getting a bit low, but I'd like to see a better shot of closeness to ground if possible. Was the same pilot involved here?
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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 15:07
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Photo of the Jet provost at Southport 2014 as published in the Liverpool Echo. Don't know if this is the incident. http://i1.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incomi...JS46835858.jpg

- And another shot here!
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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 15:26
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For those who are not aware, Wikipedia has an article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_S..._Airshow_crash
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Im sure there were many such manouvres at airshows all over the place. Sadly the days of a proper airshow in the UK look like they are over, reduced to flypasts.
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This is other video on youtube, start watching around 9:50 and you will see the roll recovery from a different angle but this time relative to a public speaker on a pole at the airshow.

https://youtu.be/7yQmq8i0HG4

Sadly there are discussions on other forums and they seem to be implying it was the same pilot AH, although I will wait to hear that announced officially.
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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 16:12
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ITV news site confirming same pilot involved in both incidents.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-02-02/i...cond-incident/

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Old 2nd Feb 2016, 17:28
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The JP at Southport clearly infringed the display minima, both laterally (too close to the crowd) and vertically ( too close to the ground). But it would appear to have been the result of a poorly executed roll during which the nose was not held high enough. Once the nose got low it was always going to be quite a hairy escape manoeuvre!
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