A question on the Nimrod operating from Lajes. Cold war
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A question on the Nimrod operating from Lajes. Cold war
I have found references to collaborations with CTG 24.2 (since 1982). An example,in a publication of the US Navy (January - April, 1982) there appears COMAZSECASWGRU (CTG 24.2).
COMAZSECASWGRU = Commander Azores Secctor Antisubmarine Warfare Group
CTG 24.2 that / who units were integrating it?......Planes ..... ships ...... submarine
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COMAZSECASWGRU = Commander Azores Secctor Antisubmarine Warfare Group
CTG 24.2 that / who units were integrating it?......Planes ..... ships ...... submarine
Thank you
It will be a temporary type organisation: in effect CTG 24.2 will consist of whatever ships/planes/submarines are given to it. I doubt there were any dedicated units to a CTG like that.
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Following on from the previous posts, the numbered TF and TG were fixed command organizations to which various ships would be attached as required.
For instance ASWGP2 was a UK group that provided ASW support to COMSTKFLTLANT. The flag would be one of the in-commission Invincible class.
Have a look here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supr...ander_Atlantic
COMSTKFLTLANT would be CTF401, with CTG 401.1 and 401.2 being subordinate.
In your case TG24.2 might be a numbered group solely concerned with that mission or exercise and probably a mix of units that in other circumstances would be in TF401
For instance ASWGP2 was a UK group that provided ASW support to COMSTKFLTLANT. The flag would be one of the in-commission Invincible class.
Have a look here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supr...ander_Atlantic
COMSTKFLTLANT would be CTF401, with CTG 401.1 and 401.2 being subordinate.
In your case TG24.2 might be a numbered group solely concerned with that mission or exercise and probably a mix of units that in other circumstances would be in TF401
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Thank you for your answers.
In the operations Oedipus, these groups could form a part of the operation, or were exclusive of RAF
Following to a VICTOR III the contact one yielded to the VP-24 (detachments Lajes/Rota) could this unit be integrated to the group?
In the operations Oedipus, these groups could form a part of the operation, or were exclusive of RAF
Following to a VICTOR III the contact one yielded to the VP-24 (detachments Lajes/Rota) could this unit be integrated to the group?
you should be able to track more info from the VP-24 site (e.g. where they were based at that time). Some VP sqns were detached to Sigonella (Sicily) and some to Keflavik (Iceland). They could then be forward deployed to Lajes. Or, as CS said, they could have popped over from Brunswick (USA). So many sqns and MPA - so not so now...
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Hi Sandy Parts
I have located the information of the V-24 and Operation edipus, but...
The Us Navy was taking part in the Operations Oedipus?
The problem is that in this operation Oedipus I have identified three Nimrod and other one with the CTG 24.2. Can it be the same thing?
I have located the information of the V-24 and Operation edipus, but...
The Us Navy was taking part in the Operations Oedipus?
The problem is that in this operation Oedipus I have identified three Nimrod and other one with the CTG 24.2. Can it be the same thing?
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Google throws up some names but aside from one at Edinburgh University none seem likely to be this man.
Marcantilism has a proven credibility. Nav is has yet to show the same. As 1771 days, he is trawling so until he produces clear open source evidence, say nowt.
Marcantilism has a proven credibility. Nav is has yet to show the same. As 1771 days, he is trawling so until he produces clear open source evidence, say nowt.
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I sought a professional opinion on this thread and the answer was a strong smell of fish.
My source has seen nothing of this at Kew and remembers a vague mention of the codeword possibly in a sqn 540.
My source has seen nothing of this at Kew and remembers a vague mention of the codeword possibly in a sqn 540.
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Some answers for you. First, about myself.
My name is Javier Guerrero and I am Spanish. I am a keen historical researcher and have had articles published in Spain (Defence Department), Argentina and soon in the United Kingdom. My specialities are the 18th century, WWII (in Spain) and the Falklands's war.
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPorta...10_es//archivo
http://issuu.com/zonamilitar/docs/re...77503/14479139
and some small collaborations, in different books, for example:
http://www.amazon.es/TRASTIENDA-TRAFALGAR-teniente-general-Salcedo-ebook/dp/B006GGJYMC
My fishy smell maybe comes from my time in the Spanish Navy. I served for eight years (reaching OR-4) which included during service on Principe de Asturias during the Balkans war, maintaining the Sea Kings, and I also served on Submarines, namely Siroco and Galerna.
From Spain, I can access formerly restricted documents in the National Archives in Kew, or via a FOI request. I have been researching the participation of the Nimrod in the Falklands war, and as part of that research, I have copied these two files:
No 201 Squadron (Falklands Conflict) | The National Archives
No 42 Squadron (Falklands Conflict) | The National Archives
Both are squadron reports from the time of the conflict and, as PN correctly points out, are 540 documents, which include references to Oedipus, Tapestry, Muleteer, Homespun and Hawktrail, amongst others (let me know if you would prefer me to remove these words from this tread?). They are available to the anyone to either view, or as in my case – get copies made and sent to me.
In the UK archives, there are 526 files from the time of the Falklands war, but nothing about operations in continental Argentina or Chile – the remainder is now declassified under the 30 year rule.
In addition to the above, on the topic of the Nimrod and their operations during the conflict, I also have accessed the following.
AIR 25- 1908 HQ 18 Group RAF
DEFE 58-265 - 201 Sqdn ROP
DEFE 58 -264 Flight 12 may
DEFE 58 -263 Flight 15 may
DEFE 58-252 Nimrod Ops Supplement
My name is Javier Guerrero and I am Spanish. I am a keen historical researcher and have had articles published in Spain (Defence Department), Argentina and soon in the United Kingdom. My specialities are the 18th century, WWII (in Spain) and the Falklands's war.
http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPorta...10_es//archivo
http://issuu.com/zonamilitar/docs/re...77503/14479139
and some small collaborations, in different books, for example:
http://www.amazon.es/TRASTIENDA-TRAFALGAR-teniente-general-Salcedo-ebook/dp/B006GGJYMC
My fishy smell maybe comes from my time in the Spanish Navy. I served for eight years (reaching OR-4) which included during service on Principe de Asturias during the Balkans war, maintaining the Sea Kings, and I also served on Submarines, namely Siroco and Galerna.
From Spain, I can access formerly restricted documents in the National Archives in Kew, or via a FOI request. I have been researching the participation of the Nimrod in the Falklands war, and as part of that research, I have copied these two files:
No 201 Squadron (Falklands Conflict) | The National Archives
No 42 Squadron (Falklands Conflict) | The National Archives
Both are squadron reports from the time of the conflict and, as PN correctly points out, are 540 documents, which include references to Oedipus, Tapestry, Muleteer, Homespun and Hawktrail, amongst others (let me know if you would prefer me to remove these words from this tread?). They are available to the anyone to either view, or as in my case – get copies made and sent to me.
In the UK archives, there are 526 files from the time of the Falklands war, but nothing about operations in continental Argentina or Chile – the remainder is now declassified under the 30 year rule.
In addition to the above, on the topic of the Nimrod and their operations during the conflict, I also have accessed the following.
AIR 25- 1908 HQ 18 Group RAF
DEFE 58-265 - 201 Sqdn ROP
DEFE 58 -264 Flight 12 may
DEFE 58 -263 Flight 15 may
DEFE 58-252 Nimrod Ops Supplement
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