france has refunded Russia over their Mistral class carriers
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France has refunded Russia over their Mistral class carriers
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Anyone got a requirement for two helicopter assault ships?
I seem to recall India was looking for some, and Canada was mentioned at one time as well. How about Argentina? :-)
The French were pushing it as a potential 'civil contingiencies' design as well.
I seem to recall India was looking for some, and Canada was mentioned at one time as well. How about Argentina? :-)
The French were pushing it as a potential 'civil contingiencies' design as well.
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Originally Posted by O-P
I wonder if Russia got it's money back in Roubles, or a 'hard' currency like the Euro?
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Anyone got a requirement for two helicopter assault ships?
"or a 'hard' currency like the Euro?"
Really ? We live in a strange world... The Euro is the classic 'fiat currency', yet Russian has been steadily increasing its gold reserves to support the ruble.
Of course, it all comes down to a question of confidence...... Which just goes to show that our currencies are a con trick
Really ? We live in a strange world... The Euro is the classic 'fiat currency', yet Russian has been steadily increasing its gold reserves to support the ruble.
Of course, it all comes down to a question of confidence...... Which just goes to show that our currencies are a con trick
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"or a 'hard' currency like the Euro?"
Really ? We live in a strange world... The Euro is the classic 'fiat currency', yet Russian has been steadily increasing its gold reserves to support the ruble.
Really ? We live in a strange world... The Euro is the classic 'fiat currency', yet Russian has been steadily increasing its gold reserves to support the ruble.
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"Are they better than HMS Ocean or the two Albions or are they too different in their design and intention to draw a direct comparison?"
"Ocean" - LPH 1998 22500 tonnes 17 kt 12 Sea King + 6 Lynx; 285 ships crew+ 206 air support - max 1275
"Albion"- LPD 2003/2004 18500tonnes 18 kt 4 landing craft + 2 Chinook sized spots 325 ships crew + 303 to 708 troops
"Mistral" - LHDM/BPC -2006-2012 16794 tonnes 19 kt 4 landing craft + 6 spots for CH-53 or Osprey (hangar space for 16 Puma) 160 ships crew +400-900 troops
so a lot cheaper to man and probably the same as Ocaan & Albion in capability - but you get both in one ship
TBH we'd be better off with 4 of these rather than the QE class carriers
"Ocean" - LPH 1998 22500 tonnes 17 kt 12 Sea King + 6 Lynx; 285 ships crew+ 206 air support - max 1275
"Albion"- LPD 2003/2004 18500tonnes 18 kt 4 landing craft + 2 Chinook sized spots 325 ships crew + 303 to 708 troops
"Mistral" - LHDM/BPC -2006-2012 16794 tonnes 19 kt 4 landing craft + 6 spots for CH-53 or Osprey (hangar space for 16 Puma) 160 ships crew +400-900 troops
so a lot cheaper to man and probably the same as Ocaan & Albion in capability - but you get both in one ship
TBH we'd be better off with 4 of these rather than the QE class carriers
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Now UAE has officially declared interest. Who knows, maybe France will have a bidding war on their hands.
UAE Confirms Interest in Mistral Ship
UAE Confirms Interest in Mistral Ship
Suspicion breeds confidence
Mistral
Am in Toulon today and have been aboard FS Dixmude and I can tell you they are very capable ships. I'm all in favour of a raid on St Nazaire and grabbing a couple. On FS Forbin later, should make an interesting comparison to a T45
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Do you really think the world works like that?
If the same vessel does both roles, the space on board has to be compromised.
Don't get me wrong, Ocean is an awful warship in many ways and built to civvy not naval standards, but at least it has hangar space.
Re your comparison with the QE.
Does the fact that you have no knowledge of naval aviation whatsoever not cause you to hesitate for even a moment before demonstrating it on this forum?
Suspicion breeds confidence
Three Mistral's in Toulon today and CdeG. They haven't been to sea in quite some time due to France being broke.
They will take any offer they can get for the two ex Russian ships once the have stripped out the Russian kit.
They will take any offer they can get for the two ex Russian ships once the have stripped out the Russian kit.
Tourist,
While not specifically defending HH, I feel that I should point out that "..having no knowledge whatsoever..." of a subject hasn't stopped a great many ppruners commenting on numerous threads over many years!!
While not specifically defending HH, I feel that I should point out that "..having no knowledge whatsoever..." of a subject hasn't stopped a great many ppruners commenting on numerous threads over many years!!
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Tourist - my comment was based on the likely use of any RN vessel - the surface fleet spends almost all of its time on anti-piracy patrols, anti-drug patrols, humanitarian relief and small scale interventions
The QE & PoW will suck personnel and cash out of the rest of the fleet - and we'l lprobably only be able to have one active at any time
far better to have four Mistral's TBH
The QE & PoW will suck personnel and cash out of the rest of the fleet - and we'l lprobably only be able to have one active at any time
far better to have four Mistral's TBH