WEBF has been stitched up???
OK guys, this is slightly off topic but here goes...
I start IOT (RAF) in just over six weeks. I thought I was well prepared but this thread has me second guessing! Any one got some hints/tips/suggestions? I've had a search around the rest of the site but most 'wannabe' postings are regarding OASC.
Thanks solotk, that website is brilliant!
WEBF, best of luck next time.
(feel free to email me through my profile if you prefer)
I start IOT (RAF) in just over six weeks. I thought I was well prepared but this thread has me second guessing! Any one got some hints/tips/suggestions? I've had a search around the rest of the site but most 'wannabe' postings are regarding OASC.
Thanks solotk, that website is brilliant!
WEBF, best of luck next time.
(feel free to email me through my profile if you prefer)
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You're welcome 
, but WEBF still hasn't confirmed he's used it....
OK 6 weeks to go, as regards the physical side, you now have to really train, but it will be worthwhile. Follow the advice we've all given WEBF, and you won't go far wrong.
Be smart the moment you arrive, in my branch,we start looking at our recruits, the moment they get off the transport. SWITCH ON the moment you arrive
When given a task, no matter how mundane, attack it with enthusiasm and good humour, even when you're chinstrapped (knackered). Don't crawl to the instructors, or seek to engage them in lofty conversation, you can see from this board, the subjects they like to talk about,and I don't mean the effectiveness of the F3 in a BVR role etc etc yawnorama. As yet, you are not qualified to offer an experienced opinion. Don't back chat the instructors, or make excuses, if you're wrong, or screwed the pooch, ADMIT IT, and crack on . Don't ask damn fool questions if you can avoid it.
Be selfish for the first week, concentrate on yourself, shine, but don't go over the top. Listen to everything that's said, if necessary, make notes of everything.
DON'T ALWAYS BE FIRST, but strive to be in the top 5, what ever happens, never ever ever be last. Don't live in the NAAFI or candidate's club, when you have work to do. Make sure all your kit is ready and prepared first, then help the slower members of your intake.
Find someone on your intake you like, and work with them, use the "Buddy-Buddy" system , and look out for each other, and it will make things easier.
Buy a packet of cigarettes, even if you don't smoke, I can guarantee one of your instructors will, and personally, I never refuse cigarettes from recruits
If you are not sure of anything after a lesson , ASK! That is why we're there, and it flatters us, that you're interested.
Do not seek to become an instructors mate, it won't happen (see crawling) but, as the course progresses, and you prove you are not a bag o' bollox , we will soften towards you, after all, who's going to buy our beer?
Always show maximum effort, and give everything 110% and you will pass.
Tony
I forgot to add, get to a surplus store, and buy at least 2 sets of CS95 or Combat/Soldier 95 suits and another pair of Assault boots (Issue Pattern) for assault courses and the like, that way, you can keep 2 sets of pressed and cleaned kit available, instead of running around like a mad bast. trying to stay on top of the game You can try www.silvermans.co.uk The kit's a bit pricey, but it is all grade 1, and should pass inspection. If you tell them what it is for, they'll try their best to give you the best available....
, but WEBF still hasn't confirmed he's used it....OK 6 weeks to go, as regards the physical side, you now have to really train, but it will be worthwhile. Follow the advice we've all given WEBF, and you won't go far wrong.
Be smart the moment you arrive, in my branch,we start looking at our recruits, the moment they get off the transport. SWITCH ON the moment you arrive
When given a task, no matter how mundane, attack it with enthusiasm and good humour, even when you're chinstrapped (knackered). Don't crawl to the instructors, or seek to engage them in lofty conversation, you can see from this board, the subjects they like to talk about,and I don't mean the effectiveness of the F3 in a BVR role etc etc yawnorama. As yet, you are not qualified to offer an experienced opinion. Don't back chat the instructors, or make excuses, if you're wrong, or screwed the pooch, ADMIT IT, and crack on . Don't ask damn fool questions if you can avoid it.
Be selfish for the first week, concentrate on yourself, shine, but don't go over the top. Listen to everything that's said, if necessary, make notes of everything.
DON'T ALWAYS BE FIRST, but strive to be in the top 5, what ever happens, never ever ever be last. Don't live in the NAAFI or candidate's club, when you have work to do. Make sure all your kit is ready and prepared first, then help the slower members of your intake.
Find someone on your intake you like, and work with them, use the "Buddy-Buddy" system , and look out for each other, and it will make things easier.
Buy a packet of cigarettes, even if you don't smoke, I can guarantee one of your instructors will, and personally, I never refuse cigarettes from recruits
If you are not sure of anything after a lesson , ASK! That is why we're there, and it flatters us, that you're interested.
Do not seek to become an instructors mate, it won't happen (see crawling) but, as the course progresses, and you prove you are not a bag o' bollox , we will soften towards you, after all, who's going to buy our beer?
Always show maximum effort, and give everything 110% and you will pass.
Tony
I forgot to add, get to a surplus store, and buy at least 2 sets of CS95 or Combat/Soldier 95 suits and another pair of Assault boots (Issue Pattern) for assault courses and the like, that way, you can keep 2 sets of pressed and cleaned kit available, instead of running around like a mad bast. trying to stay on top of the game You can try www.silvermans.co.uk The kit's a bit pricey, but it is all grade 1, and should pass inspection. If you tell them what it is for, they'll try their best to give you the best available....
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AP, good on ya.
with God's help and a following wind, by the time you feel like coming home to retirement and instructorship(!) we will have rebuilt an ACF for you. That's if I've got anything to do with it, which I will.
Maybe the only other thing I can add is to rephrase something solotk has already said earlier...
If they chuck you in the deep end, it's to see how you swim, not to hear your comments on the relative fairness of the depth of the water.
Hope the snow is hammering you guys as hard in Christchurch as it is here in Central Otago.
Good luck mate.
with God's help and a following wind, by the time you feel like coming home to retirement and instructorship(!) we will have rebuilt an ACF for you. That's if I've got anything to do with it, which I will.
Maybe the only other thing I can add is to rephrase something solotk has already said earlier...
If they chuck you in the deep end, it's to see how you swim, not to hear your comments on the relative fairness of the depth of the water.
Hope the snow is hammering you guys as hard in Christchurch as it is here in Central Otago.
Good luck mate.
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I have registered on the Getfitta site.
Incidently, before joining I was given a pre-entry finess programme, which I followed. The 1.5 mile run was not the problem, it was shuttle sprint, and doing sit ups correctly and in sync with the bleeps.
As for the other points, I never answered back to an instuctor, or tried to impress them wih my knowledge. So these possible criticisms are unfounded. Also I think it unlikely that I would have been seen as cocky, far more likely they would consider me an introvert.
Incidently, before joining I was given a pre-entry finess programme, which I followed. The 1.5 mile run was not the problem, it was shuttle sprint, and doing sit ups correctly and in sync with the bleeps.
As for the other points, I never answered back to an instuctor, or tried to impress them wih my knowledge. So these possible criticisms are unfounded. Also I think it unlikely that I would have been seen as cocky, far more likely they would consider me an introvert.
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Not learning yet are you? Excuses, counter-arguements, etc.
I am surprised you asked for advice in the first place, you certainly don't seem to be heeding much of it.
Having gained commissions in both the RAF and the Army (after time in the ranks) after putting in a lot of hard graft because I was not a natural at anything, I feel qualified to say you need to grow up and realise that there are people who are trying to help you with some solid, proven advice.
Show a bit of humility and don't throw it back in their face.
BTW. What was your BFT time and what level on the beep test did you achieve?
Keep the chin up but keep the head below the parapit.
Not learning yet are you? Excuses, counter-arguements, etc.
I am surprised you asked for advice in the first place, you certainly don't seem to be heeding much of it.
Having gained commissions in both the RAF and the Army (after time in the ranks) after putting in a lot of hard graft because I was not a natural at anything, I feel qualified to say you need to grow up and realise that there are people who are trying to help you with some solid, proven advice.
Show a bit of humility and don't throw it back in their face.
BTW. What was your BFT time and what level on the beep test did you achieve?
Keep the chin up but keep the head below the parapit.
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Incidently, before joining I was given a pre-entry finess programme, which I followed. The 1.5 mile run was not the problem, it was shuttle sprint, and doing sit ups correctly and in sync with the bleeps.
Jesus Christ on a Bicycle, will you fcuking listen? You failed fitness, because you were a FAT CIVVY KNACKER You failed in the first 2 weeks, because you are a wise-mouthed, arrogant self-opinonated bone-idle blame shifting workshy woodentop
Your propensity to not listen is staggering, it really really is. Now I presume you posted your sorry tale of being the course fcuk up, because you expected sympathy,understanding and a nice cup of tea from your peers. Well maybe, that's how they do it in the Light/Dark Blue sharp end, but in my branch of the service, a Size 9 sharply applied south of the spine, works wonders, except in your case , we'd probably have to draw a spine on, to give us an aiming point.
Now really, all I can see, and a great many others, is that you prefer to indulge in witty repartee and "Top trumps" games with people who know a sh*tload more than you, at just about everything. The real reason, and lets be honest, that you failed, apart from being a bag o' ****e ,is that you felt being a rating was beneath you, and you just didn't try at all, that's the only reason you get kicked out, and I know that, for a cold , hard fact. If we get someone, who can't and won't be motivated, we get rid - endex.
I failed to get on top of the kit problem from day one. In the first week I put it off to the weekend to sort out, which I sort of did, and it carried on from there.
So , as you are only issued a limited amount of kit, unless you got switched on, which you didn't, and bearing in mind the workload, at some point, you would have been minging, no?
1. Fitness. I considered myself reasonably fit. I followed the (dubiously effective) pre entry training programme they give you. But nothing can prepare you for running about 16 hours a day. I failed to anticipate just how exhausting it would be. It isn't just the PT, it's everything else too (particularly the endless laps around the parade ground for things like having fluff on my beret).
For things like having fluff on your beret, and endless laps QED You were minging all the time. You got off light, I'd have had you sick of press-ups and NI stress positions too.
The pre-entry training programme, while I can't speak for the Andrew, is optimised for the PlayStation generation and I believe fairly standard across the Forces, and it works, it is not "dubiously effective" . It is only that, when the candidate concerned, can't be arsed to follow it, i.e you.
Now, if you genuinely seek help, which it is blindingly obvious you don't, then shut the fcuk up, and listen.
Have you been watching Lads Army? Those NCO's , are regular army instructors, and they are very very good at their jobs. They have transformed civilians, who know they are only there for a month, into something resembling soldiers. One instructor, was genuinely upset by the resignation of Hanson(?), the fat guy. Why? Because as an experienced instructor, he knew that the candidate had the right stuff to succeed, his oppos did too, unfortunately, he didn't, because his fitness or lack of it, was HIS percieved problem, not the DS's, because they could have made him fitter. Hanson had a lot of redeeming qualities, he simply lacked maturity, and I for one, would have kept working on him and persevered, as the Army instructors tried to do
Now, I have reached the conclusion, that you effectively decided to sack it, after you were told, you couldn't be an officer, so well spotted by the board for a change. You could have redeemed yourself, but you chose not to, because what's really coming across here, is your "I'm better than this" NEWSFLASH, you're a legend in your own mind, that's all.
Now you can shut up, and brighten everyone's day, by saying "You're all right, I fcuked up, it's my fault, can we start with a clean sheet, I'll listen", or you can carry on "defending yourself"
Do you want to be a Warrior or a Wannabee? Your call but somehow I think I know which one it will be
Jesus Christ on a Bicycle, will you fcuking listen? You failed fitness, because you were a FAT CIVVY KNACKER You failed in the first 2 weeks, because you are a wise-mouthed, arrogant self-opinonated bone-idle blame shifting workshy woodentop
Your propensity to not listen is staggering, it really really is. Now I presume you posted your sorry tale of being the course fcuk up, because you expected sympathy,understanding and a nice cup of tea from your peers. Well maybe, that's how they do it in the Light/Dark Blue sharp end, but in my branch of the service, a Size 9 sharply applied south of the spine, works wonders, except in your case , we'd probably have to draw a spine on, to give us an aiming point.
Now really, all I can see, and a great many others, is that you prefer to indulge in witty repartee and "Top trumps" games with people who know a sh*tload more than you, at just about everything. The real reason, and lets be honest, that you failed, apart from being a bag o' ****e ,is that you felt being a rating was beneath you, and you just didn't try at all, that's the only reason you get kicked out, and I know that, for a cold , hard fact. If we get someone, who can't and won't be motivated, we get rid - endex.
I failed to get on top of the kit problem from day one. In the first week I put it off to the weekend to sort out, which I sort of did, and it carried on from there.
So , as you are only issued a limited amount of kit, unless you got switched on, which you didn't, and bearing in mind the workload, at some point, you would have been minging, no?
1. Fitness. I considered myself reasonably fit. I followed the (dubiously effective) pre entry training programme they give you. But nothing can prepare you for running about 16 hours a day. I failed to anticipate just how exhausting it would be. It isn't just the PT, it's everything else too (particularly the endless laps around the parade ground for things like having fluff on my beret).
For things like having fluff on your beret, and endless laps QED You were minging all the time. You got off light, I'd have had you sick of press-ups and NI stress positions too.
The pre-entry training programme, while I can't speak for the Andrew, is optimised for the PlayStation generation and I believe fairly standard across the Forces, and it works, it is not "dubiously effective" . It is only that, when the candidate concerned, can't be arsed to follow it, i.e you.
Now, if you genuinely seek help, which it is blindingly obvious you don't, then shut the fcuk up, and listen.
Have you been watching Lads Army? Those NCO's , are regular army instructors, and they are very very good at their jobs. They have transformed civilians, who know they are only there for a month, into something resembling soldiers. One instructor, was genuinely upset by the resignation of Hanson(?), the fat guy. Why? Because as an experienced instructor, he knew that the candidate had the right stuff to succeed, his oppos did too, unfortunately, he didn't, because his fitness or lack of it, was HIS percieved problem, not the DS's, because they could have made him fitter. Hanson had a lot of redeeming qualities, he simply lacked maturity, and I for one, would have kept working on him and persevered, as the Army instructors tried to do
Now, I have reached the conclusion, that you effectively decided to sack it, after you were told, you couldn't be an officer, so well spotted by the board for a change. You could have redeemed yourself, but you chose not to, because what's really coming across here, is your "I'm better than this" NEWSFLASH, you're a legend in your own mind, that's all.
Now you can shut up, and brighten everyone's day, by saying "You're all right, I fcuked up, it's my fault, can we start with a clean sheet, I'll listen", or you can carry on "defending yourself"
Do you want to be a Warrior or a Wannabee? Your call but somehow I think I know which one it will be
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solotk,
Fantastic!
I think I can safely say that you have echoed the feelings of most serving guys on this forum towards WEBF and his constant dripping. The whingeing little P***K should seriously consider finding somewhere else to spend his days, as I for one no longer welcome him here.
WEBF, did you really think we would sympathise with you or are you that stupid? (Don't you dare start reeling off your pissy qualifications, there are many here who have far better but keep them to themselves)
Move on, leave us alone, we don't want you.
Fantastic!
I think I can safely say that you have echoed the feelings of most serving guys on this forum towards WEBF and his constant dripping. The whingeing little P***K should seriously consider finding somewhere else to spend his days, as I for one no longer welcome him here.
WEBF, did you really think we would sympathise with you or are you that stupid? (Don't you dare start reeling off your pissy qualifications, there are many here who have far better but keep them to themselves)
Move on, leave us alone, we don't want you.
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Congratulations WEBF!
Solotk gave you some seriously sound advice. He very obviously knows what he was talking about, and if you had any savvy at all you would have shut up and done as suggested. Then, in a few months, you could have come back and impressed everyone with the new lean and mean WEBF. Did you? Did you b*ll*cks! You just sat your butt in front of your computer and ranted about how unfair the world is, and how no one understands, and if only you could have had (yet) another chance! Too bad! You were given the opportunity to become something very special and you blew it.
Now you have managed to pi$$ off someone that was willing to help/advise you - no wonder your DS wanted to get rid of you! If everyone else on this forum is anything like me, any sympathy has turned to vast relief that you didn't succeed getting frontline, coupled with a certain incredulous anticipation about your next whinge.
Shut up. Grow up. Get on with your life.
P.S. Don't bother boring me with more meaningless drivel dressed up as excuses
P.P.S. solotk - thanks for the outstanding rant, it really has cheered up my entire week
Solotk gave you some seriously sound advice. He very obviously knows what he was talking about, and if you had any savvy at all you would have shut up and done as suggested. Then, in a few months, you could have come back and impressed everyone with the new lean and mean WEBF. Did you? Did you b*ll*cks! You just sat your butt in front of your computer and ranted about how unfair the world is, and how no one understands, and if only you could have had (yet) another chance! Too bad! You were given the opportunity to become something very special and you blew it.
Now you have managed to pi$$ off someone that was willing to help/advise you - no wonder your DS wanted to get rid of you! If everyone else on this forum is anything like me, any sympathy has turned to vast relief that you didn't succeed getting frontline, coupled with a certain incredulous anticipation about your next whinge.
Shut up. Grow up. Get on with your life.
P.S. Don't bother boring me with more meaningless drivel dressed up as excuses
P.P.S. solotk - thanks for the outstanding rant, it really has cheered up my entire week
At the risk of straying off the thread a little (much as I enjoy listening to WEBF's attempts to become best mates with solotk) those 'NCOs' on Lads Army must be having the time of their lives! You can see the little smile play across the corner of their mouths every time they go into the barrack room for an inspection.
They also seem genuinely enthusiastic for getting the best out of their charges, even if, as they all know, they are only there for a month. Are they all serving, or are some of them (the officer?) actors?
They also seem genuinely enthusiastic for getting the best out of their charges, even if, as they all know, they are only there for a month. Are they all serving, or are some of them (the officer?) actors?
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The A4 and Macchi fleets are currently mothballed awaiting sale, the Skyhawks are in a hangar at Woodbourne and the Macchis I think are at Whenuapai.
Two of each are being kept in flying condition at Ohakea, ostensibly so potential customers can have a test ride.
The RCAF are apparently interested in the A4s as a LIFT, but the process is likely to take a while. I wouldn't mind betting the Canucks are stalling things deliberately for us till after the election next month. Watch this space!
The A4 and Macchi fleets are currently mothballed awaiting sale, the Skyhawks are in a hangar at Woodbourne and the Macchis I think are at Whenuapai.
Two of each are being kept in flying condition at Ohakea, ostensibly so potential customers can have a test ride.
The RCAF are apparently interested in the A4s as a LIFT, but the process is likely to take a while. I wouldn't mind betting the Canucks are stalling things deliberately for us till after the election next month. Watch this space!
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Chaps, when I first read through this thread I wondered if it just might, could be, a wind up.
I'm now convinced that it is.
Do you think WEBF could be Admin Guru in disguise?
Let it go; his reading is even worse that his writing and he cannot or will not understand what you are saying.
I'm now convinced that it is.
Do you think WEBF could be Admin Guru in disguise?
Let it go; his reading is even worse that his writing and he cannot or will not understand what you are saying.
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As I posted earlier, always looking for someone else to blame...
Sorry WEBF but your replies to all of the good advice above have continued to demonstrate that you probably failed to listen to the words of guidance from your trainers.
It is not easy being a trainer (yes, I am!) but in HM Forces we are in the priviliged position of having charges that will do what they are told. Tell that to an inner city secondary school teacher!
In addition HM Forces, generally, are in a bad way, or will be in the next few years, when it comes to manning. A JNCO, SNCO, WO or officer is not grown overnight - he/she is cultivated from the second they sign on. Gaining a commission means slightly more than sticking a gold ring, stripe or pip on your shoulder. It is not a light decision to remove someone from training.....
I have no doubt that any sign of committment, willingness to learn, ability to listen, and compassion for others in yourself would have been noticed by your DS.
Take a deep breath, do a few more laps and try again. The mark of a man is how he fights when he is down...
G
Sorry WEBF but your replies to all of the good advice above have continued to demonstrate that you probably failed to listen to the words of guidance from your trainers.
It is not easy being a trainer (yes, I am!) but in HM Forces we are in the priviliged position of having charges that will do what they are told. Tell that to an inner city secondary school teacher!
In addition HM Forces, generally, are in a bad way, or will be in the next few years, when it comes to manning. A JNCO, SNCO, WO or officer is not grown overnight - he/she is cultivated from the second they sign on. Gaining a commission means slightly more than sticking a gold ring, stripe or pip on your shoulder. It is not a light decision to remove someone from training.....
I have no doubt that any sign of committment, willingness to learn, ability to listen, and compassion for others in yourself would have been noticed by your DS.
Take a deep breath, do a few more laps and try again. The mark of a man is how he fights when he is down...
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I am having a massive "debate" on the sea eagle thread - he was whining about how being a tiff meant being an engineer and nothing else. I have posted my own personal views on what being an officer / snco is all about. He still tries to find an excuse though.
ps - solotk - not sure of upper age limit for reserves, if you like then ping me an email, letting me know what areas / branches you are thinking about and I'll do some digging for you and get some data / phone numbers etc,
ps - solotk - not sure of upper age limit for reserves, if you like then ping me an email, letting me know what areas / branches you are thinking about and I'll do some digging for you and get some data / phone numbers etc,
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No Jimlad, I said (or meant to say) that a Tiff was/is a (hands on) Engineer and fast track Killick/Senior Rate. In other words the leadership aspects are less than that of an Officer, and part one trainee Tiffs are not expected to show the same degree of leadership as potential Officers.