This Is Not Funny Anymore! (Russia And The Baltic Sea)
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This Is Not Funny Anymore! (Russia And The Baltic Sea)
Ok, guys, now I am getting worried. This is what happens up here:
Här vänder det ryska jaktflyget i sista stund | Nyheter | Expressen
from the Swedish newspaper Expressen. A short summary would be that the incidents winter/spring 2014/2015 now appears to be more targeted and an anti-aircraft wall seems to be appearing. Instead of just dabbling around without transponders, the Russian army actually marks against Flygvapnet (Swedish airforce) with flares, simulating an attack.
A picture released from Flygvapnet shows a deliberately close call:
Yeah, we are not part of NATO yadayada.. what I am concerned about is our Baltic friends. If this is how Sweden is treated, then what is going on in Estland, Latvia, Lithuania? What about Poland?
I guess we all know how Ukraine is treated... and how noone else cares enough to do absolutely nothing about it.
Här vänder det ryska jaktflyget i sista stund | Nyheter | Expressen
from the Swedish newspaper Expressen. A short summary would be that the incidents winter/spring 2014/2015 now appears to be more targeted and an anti-aircraft wall seems to be appearing. Instead of just dabbling around without transponders, the Russian army actually marks against Flygvapnet (Swedish airforce) with flares, simulating an attack.
A picture released from Flygvapnet shows a deliberately close call:
Yeah, we are not part of NATO yadayada.. what I am concerned about is our Baltic friends. If this is how Sweden is treated, then what is going on in Estland, Latvia, Lithuania? What about Poland?
I guess we all know how Ukraine is treated... and how noone else cares enough to do absolutely nothing about it.
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More news, this time from Dagens Nyheter (DN). Apparently the Russian gouvernment is trying to see if the acknowledgement of the Baltic states was unlawful. One of the sources mentioned in the article is lenta.ru .
Ryssland undersöker om det var ?olagligt? att erkänna baltländerna - DN.SE
Translation:
The Russian States Attorney will investigate if the decision to acknowledge the Baltic states in 1994 was according to the law. Earlier, a court decided that the decision to give Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 was not according to the law.
My comment:
Are they absolutely 100% nuts over there? Why is it that Russians, that are usually very friendly and fun, seem to attract such horrible horrible leaders? And if they start to question the sovereignity of the Baltic States, where will it end? And wasn't the Soviet Union based on an unlawful aquisition of power and land in the first place?
Ryssland undersöker om det var ?olagligt? att erkänna baltländerna - DN.SE
Den ryska riksåklagaren ska ”undersöka om beslutet att erkänna de baltiska staterna 1991 var lagligt”. Tidigare har en domstol konstaterat att beslutet att överlåta Krim till Ukraina 1954 inte var lagligt.
The Russian States Attorney will investigate if the decision to acknowledge the Baltic states in 1994 was according to the law. Earlier, a court decided that the decision to give Crimea to Ukraine in 1954 was not according to the law.
My comment:
Are they absolutely 100% nuts over there? Why is it that Russians, that are usually very friendly and fun, seem to attract such horrible horrible leaders? And if they start to question the sovereignity of the Baltic States, where will it end? And wasn't the Soviet Union based on an unlawful aquisition of power and land in the first place?
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From my perspective Russia's overt brutality and expansionist ideals bear many of the hallmarks of a certain 1930s German government. Back then we thought that Politics and diplomacy would win true as all the words and promises from Hitler were successively ignored or reversed.
NATO is Europe's only hope to stay Putin's restless hand. Understandably, his people are supportive of his plans to return Mother Russia to Pole Position in the world.
Right now though, they're laughing at the West. We're half of what we were 10 years ago in many key areas and, while we contemplate more savings and cuts to Defence, they are expanding; investing in home-grown technology and building their military capability apace.
In my opinion, NATO member politicians need to look themselves squarely in the mirror and ask if Defence of their respective countries is their oft-uttered priority. If it is, we're already behind.
NATO is Europe's only hope to stay Putin's restless hand. Understandably, his people are supportive of his plans to return Mother Russia to Pole Position in the world.
Right now though, they're laughing at the West. We're half of what we were 10 years ago in many key areas and, while we contemplate more savings and cuts to Defence, they are expanding; investing in home-grown technology and building their military capability apace.
In my opinion, NATO member politicians need to look themselves squarely in the mirror and ask if Defence of their respective countries is their oft-uttered priority. If it is, we're already behind.
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We're half of what we were 10 years ago in many key areas
Your comparison with the Hitler regime is all too familiar. Noone took him seriously and just let him invade Austria and Czechoslovakia until finally Poland was the proverbial straw.
Is Ukraine the Austria of Russia? There are many similarities!
So what do we do and how? Right now our politicians are more concerned about giving money to Romanian beggars. One bright thing is that they have ordered two new submarines - to be ready around 2025. Yeah. Great. Doh.
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When ppl will stop whining and start voting for politicians that have the nation's best interests at heart, maybe things will change.
1 - Do you really think that any Party's Defence policy was a key factor in the recent election? No, neither do I. The issue over 2% GDP for NATO has been well and truly swept under the carpet. There was no clear winning party for Defence and there hasn't been for 10 years or more.
2 - Do you think that the mass of voters consider Defence to be important? When pressed I'd suggest that most of the electorate assume we're quite adequately equipped and that we are still amongst the finest in the World (we are!) I would say 'no'. The electoral masses don't consider Defence to be a vote-swinging topic. If they did, they'd have demanded Defence on the manifestos of every party in order to compare.
There's a difference between whining and expressing one's opinion as well.
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Either the Russians or China, in return for bases.
Two things spring to mind at your comment there DirtyProp:
1 - Do you really think that any Party's Defence policy was a key factor in the recent election? No, neither do I. The issue over 2% GDP for NATO has been well and truly swept under the carpet. There was no clear winning party for Defence and there hasn't been for 10 years or more.
2 - Do you think that the mass of voters consider Defence to be important? When pressed I'd suggest that most of the electorate assume we're quite adequately equipped and that we are still amongst the finest in the World (we are!) I would say 'no'. The electoral masses don't consider Defence to be a vote-swinging topic. If they did, they'd have demanded Defence on the manifestos of every party in order to compare.
There's a difference between whining and expressing one's opinion as well.
1 - Do you really think that any Party's Defence policy was a key factor in the recent election? No, neither do I. The issue over 2% GDP for NATO has been well and truly swept under the carpet. There was no clear winning party for Defence and there hasn't been for 10 years or more.
2 - Do you think that the mass of voters consider Defence to be important? When pressed I'd suggest that most of the electorate assume we're quite adequately equipped and that we are still amongst the finest in the World (we are!) I would say 'no'. The electoral masses don't consider Defence to be a vote-swinging topic. If they did, they'd have demanded Defence on the manifestos of every party in order to compare.
There's a difference between whining and expressing one's opinion as well.
Simple as that.
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This Is Not Funny Anymore! (Russia And The Baltic Sea)
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.... Words and promises from Hitler were all successfully ignored or reversed"
doesn't that ring the bell about US government contracts with Native Americans ? Not promises but contracts !
Doesn't it ring the bell about NATO PROMISES to GORBACHEV not to expand to Russian borders ?
Or you pretend it never happened ?
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About giving up Austria and Czechoslovakia to Hitler did you forget who did that and who defeated Hitler afterwords ?
And who supports today Nazzies in Ukraine ?
.... Words and promises from Hitler were all successfully ignored or reversed"
doesn't that ring the bell about US government contracts with Native Americans ? Not promises but contracts !
Doesn't it ring the bell about NATO PROMISES to GORBACHEV not to expand to Russian borders ?
Or you pretend it never happened ?
PS
About giving up Austria and Czechoslovakia to Hitler did you forget who did that and who defeated Hitler afterwords ?
And who supports today Nazzies in Ukraine ?
"We're half of what we were 10 years ago in many key areas..."
And Russia is less then a quarter of what the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact were....
Two Nuclear armed parties squaring up, if it happens, then it goes nuclear, so it won't happen.
And Russia is less then a quarter of what the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact were....
Two Nuclear armed parties squaring up, if it happens, then it goes nuclear, so it won't happen.
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As MSOCS wrote before, "The electoral masses don't consider Defence to be a vote-swinging topic. If they did, they'd have demanded Defence on the manifestos of every party in order to compare." In other words, they don't give a damn about it.
Politicians do not vote themselves to power, they are voted by the people. The same people that could care less about Defence and such.
So instead of telling me about my attitude, I suggest you go talk to your countrymen about the future of your children.
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Well said Glad.
I do fear however, there are a couple of trolls on this thread already looking for food...
I do fear however, there are a couple of trolls on this thread already looking for food...
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"NATO is Europe's only hope to stay Putin's restless hand. Understandably, his people are supportive of his plans to return Mother Russia to Pole Position in the world."
Putin is getting very old, he won't be able to lead his country for a long.
I say just wait for them to elect the normal president and end all this mumbo-jumbo over Ukraine.
Putin is getting very old, he won't be able to lead his country for a long.
I say just wait for them to elect the normal president and end all this mumbo-jumbo over Ukraine.
Putin is getting old?
Not by Soviet standards, at least, and I think he has a extremely high percentage of Soviet blood (and aspirations) in him. Probably shed some, too.