This Is Not Funny Anymore! (Russia And The Baltic Sea)
"We're half of what we were 10 years ago in many key areas..."
And Russia is less then a quarter of what the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact were....
Two Nuclear armed parties squaring up, if it happens, then it goes nuclear, so it won't happen.
And Russia is less then a quarter of what the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact were....
Two Nuclear armed parties squaring up, if it happens, then it goes nuclear, so it won't happen.
Mind you so are we, but in a different manner altogether!
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I don't know if this is 100% accurate but it's depressing - who'd have thought a few years ago that we'd reach such a point so quickly. Like the man said, numbers have a strength of their own. Numerically, at least a small nudge in a positive direction is needed in the SDSR.
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Nice try. Pretend not to understand.
Martin.
I would write in Martian but so far no help from Google Translate.
PS
About Crocodile tears for "indigenous people" called Tatars.
Ha ha ha.
They are indigenous in Tatarstan Republic in Russia perhaps but not in Crimea.
Even in Crimea they have their own Religion Culture Language and History.
Anybody here brave enough to describe in public the fate of American and Canadian "Tatars" ?
I mean anything other left from them except empty names from Redskins to the very name of Canada= kanata=village ?
Anybody dares to mention genocide of most part of North America ?
Even all innocent Japanese Americans in WWII who had no contact with Yamamoto were accused collaborators and what has happened to them ?
Exile to Siberia would have been a wishful thinking for most.
PS2
How come such nice peace loving people who joined WWII at the very end committed real Holocaust of 2 million young German POW after they surrendered to you?
http://youtu.be/nxh6FC-bwWQ
Nice try. Pretend not to understand.
Martin.
I would write in Martian but so far no help from Google Translate.
PS
About Crocodile tears for "indigenous people" called Tatars.
Ha ha ha.
They are indigenous in Tatarstan Republic in Russia perhaps but not in Crimea.
Even in Crimea they have their own Religion Culture Language and History.
Anybody here brave enough to describe in public the fate of American and Canadian "Tatars" ?
I mean anything other left from them except empty names from Redskins to the very name of Canada= kanata=village ?
Anybody dares to mention genocide of most part of North America ?
Even all innocent Japanese Americans in WWII who had no contact with Yamamoto were accused collaborators and what has happened to them ?
Exile to Siberia would have been a wishful thinking for most.
PS2
How come such nice peace loving people who joined WWII at the very end committed real Holocaust of 2 million young German POW after they surrendered to you?
http://youtu.be/nxh6FC-bwWQ
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You seem to be deliberately ignoring very valid points that I and many others are putting forward, or making sarcastic comments probably because they do not fit with your world view.
In the west we are fully aware of what has been done to indigenous populations, minorities and ethnic groups both in time of war and peace and during colonial expansion. We do not hide from it and we do not ignore it. It is to our shame that these events have occurred.
I put it to you that it has not just happened in the west, and that the same events happened within the borders of Imperial Russia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Russian Federation with just as much enthusiasm and prejudice. However, you would appear to be in denial regarding these events, as you are also about much of the history of the 20th century. To be blunt, neither of us are perfect, but only one of us is ready to accept the fact.
I do not intend to mention particular examples, as there is information available freely from a multitude of sources on the internet concerning the subject. I recommend you use google, as you appear to be familiar with it. Alternatively, you can just reply with another sarky remark and continue to fail to engage in reasoned debate and defend valid arguments.
You seem to be deliberately ignoring very valid points that I and many others are putting forward, or making sarcastic comments probably because they do not fit with your world view.
In the west we are fully aware of what has been done to indigenous populations, minorities and ethnic groups both in time of war and peace and during colonial expansion. We do not hide from it and we do not ignore it. It is to our shame that these events have occurred.
I put it to you that it has not just happened in the west, and that the same events happened within the borders of Imperial Russia, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Russian Federation with just as much enthusiasm and prejudice. However, you would appear to be in denial regarding these events, as you are also about much of the history of the 20th century. To be blunt, neither of us are perfect, but only one of us is ready to accept the fact.
I do not intend to mention particular examples, as there is information available freely from a multitude of sources on the internet concerning the subject. I recommend you use google, as you appear to be familiar with it. Alternatively, you can just reply with another sarky remark and continue to fail to engage in reasoned debate and defend valid arguments.
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Of course "valid arguments" are only those that suit us. Are they ?
Whether you use Google or propaganda you can not even compare ethnic cleansing in USA and Canada or in Palestine with any land under rule of Russia now or in the past.
For thousand years Tatars and some other Asian tribes raided Moscow and Russia at will killing and stealing goods and ladies. Some they married some they sold to south.
Yet Russia did not exterminate them when Russia became stronger party.
Just think about. There are 22 Republics in Russia today based on Indigenous population with their language and culture.
How many do you have in USA except just empty names ?
Do not forget that Communism was injected there in order to decimate the Russia.
That is another subject.
They got over it and still did not fall under Hitler in spite of many of Russians hated Communism more then you do.
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Just to remind all. The main subject here is "occupation of Crimea" and urging the rest of world to fight Russia to give it back to Kiyev i.e. give to US Army as a present !!!!
So do I still sound like living on other planet now ?
Whether you use Google or propaganda you can not even compare ethnic cleansing in USA and Canada or in Palestine with any land under rule of Russia now or in the past.
For thousand years Tatars and some other Asian tribes raided Moscow and Russia at will killing and stealing goods and ladies. Some they married some they sold to south.
Yet Russia did not exterminate them when Russia became stronger party.
Just think about. There are 22 Republics in Russia today based on Indigenous population with their language and culture.
How many do you have in USA except just empty names ?
Do not forget that Communism was injected there in order to decimate the Russia.
That is another subject.
They got over it and still did not fall under Hitler in spite of many of Russians hated Communism more then you do.
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Just to remind all. The main subject here is "occupation of Crimea" and urging the rest of world to fight Russia to give it back to Kiyev i.e. give to US Army as a present !!!!
So do I still sound like living on other planet now ?
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
Green Guard.
This from just a quick look at Wiki. But of course, it probably never happened
Shortly before, during and immediately after World War II, Stalin conducted a series of deportations on a huge scale that profoundly affected the ethnic map of the Soviet Union. It is estimated that between 1941 and 1949 nearly 3.3 million were deported to Siberia and the Central Asian republics. By some estimates up to 43% of the resettled population died of diseases and malnutrition.
Separatism, resistance to Soviet rule and collaboration with the invading Germans were cited as the official reasons for the deportations. Individual circumstances of those spending time in German-occupied territories were not examined. After the brief Nazi occupation of the Caucasus, the entire population of five of the small highland peoples and the Crimean Tatars – more than a million people in total – were deported without notice or any opportunity to take their possessions.
As a result of Stalin's lack of trust in the loyalty of particular ethnicities, ethnic groups such as the Soviet Koreans, the Volga Germans, the Crimean Tatars, the Chechens, and many Poles were forcibly moved out of strategic areas and relocated to places in the central Soviet Union, especially Kazakhstan in Soviet Central Asia. By some estimates, hundreds of thousands of deportees may have died en route
According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953, with a further 7 to 8 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union (including the entire nationalities in several cases).
As a result of Stalin's lack of trust in the loyalty of particular ethnicities, ethnic groups such as the Soviet Koreans, the Volga Germans, the Crimean Tatars, the Chechens, and many Poles were forcibly moved out of strategic areas and relocated to places in the central Soviet Union, especially Kazakhstan in Soviet Central Asia. By some estimates, hundreds of thousands of deportees may have died en route
According to official Soviet estimates, more than 14 million people passed through the Gulag from 1929 to 1953, with a further 7 to 8 million being deported and exiled to remote areas of the Soviet Union (including the entire nationalities in several cases).
The thread title refers to Russia and the Baltic Sea, not Kiev. But please don't stop, you are really brightening my day, I haven't laughed so much since grandmother died or aunty Mabel caught her left t*t in a mangle.
Yes. Some tend to forget Napoleon.
More tend to dismiss the truth how many other European including Polish soldiers marched with Napoleon to Moscow.
More tend to dismiss the truth how many other European including Polish soldiers marched with Napoleon to Moscow.
While we're talking about Hitler's army, is this the time to mention that an estimated 800,000-1 million Russians fought and served within or alongside the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Sometimes, things are not black or white in that part of the world.
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Ok Guys
To make long story short.
Forget about Crimea.
You lost it.
My sincere condolence. Please try to be happy in Baltic states.
And forget about Balkan or Baltic people or Poles fighting Russians.
You will need to do it yourself.
Herrod.
You still do not know or pretend not to know who were Communist leaders in SSSR ?!
And with who they collaborated ?
Even to have somebody like Gorbachev or Yeltsin is your obvious wishful thinking.
Get sober.
To make long story short.
Forget about Crimea.
You lost it.
My sincere condolence. Please try to be happy in Baltic states.
And forget about Balkan or Baltic people or Poles fighting Russians.
You will need to do it yourself.
Herrod.
You still do not know or pretend not to know who were Communist leaders in SSSR ?!
And with who they collaborated ?
Even to have somebody like Gorbachev or Yeltsin is your obvious wishful thinking.
Get sober.
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Rh200
Nice try. Pretend not to understand.
Martin.
I would write in Martian but so far no help from Google Translate.
PS
About Crocodile tears for "indigenous people" called Tatars.
Ha ha ha.
They are indigenous in Tatarstan Republic in Russia perhaps but not in Crimea.
Even in Crimea they have their own Religion Culture Language and History.
Anybody here brave enough to describe in public the fate of American and Canadian "Tatars" ?
I mean anything other left from them except empty names from Redskins to the very name of Canada= kanata=village ?
Anybody dares to mention genocide of most part of North America ?
Even all innocent Japanese Americans in WWII who had no contact with Yamamoto were accused collaborators and what has happened to them ?
Exile to Siberia would have been a wishful thinking for most.
PS2
How come such nice peace loving people who joined WWII at the very end committed real Holocaust of 2 million young German POW after they surrendered to you?
http://youtu.be/nxh6FC-bwWQ
Nice try. Pretend not to understand.
Martin.
I would write in Martian but so far no help from Google Translate.
PS
About Crocodile tears for "indigenous people" called Tatars.
Ha ha ha.
They are indigenous in Tatarstan Republic in Russia perhaps but not in Crimea.
Even in Crimea they have their own Religion Culture Language and History.
Anybody here brave enough to describe in public the fate of American and Canadian "Tatars" ?
I mean anything other left from them except empty names from Redskins to the very name of Canada= kanata=village ?
Anybody dares to mention genocide of most part of North America ?
Even all innocent Japanese Americans in WWII who had no contact with Yamamoto were accused collaborators and what has happened to them ?
Exile to Siberia would have been a wishful thinking for most.
PS2
How come such nice peace loving people who joined WWII at the very end committed real Holocaust of 2 million young German POW after they surrendered to you?
http://youtu.be/nxh6FC-bwWQ
Because we (Europeans, Americans, etc) did some nasty stuff in the past, you feel justified and entitled to do the same nasty stuff now?
So much for quiet, peace-loving people....
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Forget about Crimea.
You lost it.
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Dirty Prop
Why you enjoy to sound dirty and blame the victims as usual ?
((Because we (Europeans, Americans, etc) did some nasty stuff in the past, you feel justified and entitled to do the same nasty stuff now?))
Your nasty stuff is your nasty stuff.
And YOU TRY TO KEEP IT REPEATING this time in ME and Europe.
Tatars have their Republic.
If few of them are victims of your promises it won't last long.
When did a hungry wolf protect a lamb?
Where is any American Natives Republic ?
On Mars ?
Get Real !
Why you enjoy to sound dirty and blame the victims as usual ?
((Because we (Europeans, Americans, etc) did some nasty stuff in the past, you feel justified and entitled to do the same nasty stuff now?))
Your nasty stuff is your nasty stuff.
And YOU TRY TO KEEP IT REPEATING this time in ME and Europe.
Tatars have their Republic.
If few of them are victims of your promises it won't last long.
When did a hungry wolf protect a lamb?
Where is any American Natives Republic ?
On Mars ?
Get Real !
Green Guard,
I would be intersted in your view of the Baltic States. In your opinion, to what extent do the governments of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia have the right to determine the future of their countries?
I would be intersted in your view of the Baltic States. In your opinion, to what extent do the governments of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia have the right to determine the future of their countries?
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Good question.
They are now in the situation of orphans
and desperate to attract the attention.
They need support not war.
Unfortunately at the moment the war may look
like as their only hope.
Till they wake up.
They are now in the situation of orphans
and desperate to attract the attention.
They need support not war.
Unfortunately at the moment the war may look
like as their only hope.
Till they wake up.
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I like you.
>>Ahh, no, it was never ours, it was the Ukrainians, hence they lost it, or should I say stolen.<<
Hm. It never belonged to Ukraine. Ukraine never fought for it. They probably hoped you would fight Russia for them and they still do.
They are spoiled brats i.e.. spoiled Russian brothers.
Crimea was assigned as part of Ukraine by Communists in 1954 as a free brotherly gift.
Russians didn't mind it stayed under Ukraine control from 25 years ago when they chose to separate.
But when Ukries sold that brotherly gift to USA Army......aaa well.
We are now on another planet.
I like you.
>>Ahh, no, it was never ours, it was the Ukrainians, hence they lost it, or should I say stolen.<<
Hm. It never belonged to Ukraine. Ukraine never fought for it. They probably hoped you would fight Russia for them and they still do.
They are spoiled brats i.e.. spoiled Russian brothers.
Crimea was assigned as part of Ukraine by Communists in 1954 as a free brotherly gift.
Russians didn't mind it stayed under Ukraine control from 25 years ago when they chose to separate.
But when Ukries sold that brotherly gift to USA Army......aaa well.
We are now on another planet.
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These Putin paid trolls get very tiring. Easier just to add them to the "ignore" list.
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we seem to have conflict here.
Hm. It never belonged to Ukraine. Ukraine never fought for it.
Crimea was assigned as part of Ukraine by Communists in 1954 as a free brotherly gift.
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Here I come, on cue.
I'm pretty sure Green Guard is saying that the Crimean Peninsula, historically, was never a part of Ukrainian territory until 1954, when it was handed to the Ukraine by the USSR to be a part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The Ukraine gave the Crimea autonomous control under Ukrainian protection after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, and now 'Russia' is claiming it back again as 'their territory'.
The term 'renege' comes to mind.
p.s I didn't say you were 'not quite right in the head', I said there were a few roos loose in the top paddock. Probably amounts to about the same thing on occasion though.
I'm pretty sure Green Guard is saying that the Crimean Peninsula, historically, was never a part of Ukrainian territory until 1954, when it was handed to the Ukraine by the USSR to be a part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The Ukraine gave the Crimea autonomous control under Ukrainian protection after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, and now 'Russia' is claiming it back again as 'their territory'.
The term 'renege' comes to mind.
p.s I didn't say you were 'not quite right in the head', I said there were a few roos loose in the top paddock. Probably amounts to about the same thing on occasion though.