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Saudi Arabia blames ‘technical failure’ for its fighter jet crash near Yemen
Saudi Arabia on Saturday blamed a “technical fault” for forcing two of its pilots in an F-15 fighter jet to eject over waters south of Yemen during a mission amid a bombing campaign targeting Shiite rebels in the country.F-15 The official Saudi Press Agency reported that the pilots were in “good health” after ejecting on Thursday. It said the US offered aid to rescue the airmen.
A US Defence Department official told reporters that an American helicopter flew on Thursday from neighbouring Djibouti to the Gulf of Aden and rescued the airmen. The official says the destroyer USS Sterett coordinated assets from the US naval base in Djibouti and the amphibious transport dock USS New York. The US official spoke on condition of anonymity as he wasn’t authorised to brief journalists by name.........
Washington says the US is providing refuelling tankers and surveillance flights for the Saudi operations, and there are several US troops working in the operations centre, but the US is not taking direct military action in the Gulf campaign..........
Also on Friday, Saudi and Egyptian warships deployed to Bab al-Mandab, the strategic strait off Yemen at the entrance of the Red Sea, Egyptian military officials said. The strait gives the only access to Egypt’s Suez Canal from the Arabian Sea and is a vital passage for shipping between Europe and Asia.
U.S. Boosts Aid in Saudi-Led Fight To Defeat Rebel Force in Yemen
The U.S. military is preparing to expand its aid to Saudi Arabia in its air campaign against rebel forces in Yemen by providing more intelligence, bombs and aerial refueling missions for planes carrying out airstrikes there, American officials.......
Saudi officials have asked the U.S. to provide air tankers to refuel planes taking part in bombing Houthi forces in neighboring Yemen—and for more American-made bombs to continue with the strikes, the officials said. The U.S. is preparing to provide the Saudis with more help once the requests are approved in Washington, these people said........
The Saudi appeals come as the U.S. is deepening its support for the fight by providing military planners with vital intelligence from surveillance flights to help choose targets for the airstrikes in Yemen, officials said. American military planners are using live intelligence feeds from surveillance flights over Yemen to help Saudi Arabia decide what and where to bomb, U.S. officials said. Under the plan, the U.S. would beef up its role in a new military coordination center set up with the Saudis and other countries in the region taking part in the evolving operation. The center has become the focal point for military planning and a handful of Americans are currently taking part, officials said. That number is expected to grow..........
Saudi Arabia on Saturday blamed a “technical fault” for forcing two of its pilots in an F-15 fighter jet to eject over waters south of Yemen during a mission amid a bombing campaign targeting Shiite rebels in the country.F-15 The official Saudi Press Agency reported that the pilots were in “good health” after ejecting on Thursday. It said the US offered aid to rescue the airmen.
A US Defence Department official told reporters that an American helicopter flew on Thursday from neighbouring Djibouti to the Gulf of Aden and rescued the airmen. The official says the destroyer USS Sterett coordinated assets from the US naval base in Djibouti and the amphibious transport dock USS New York. The US official spoke on condition of anonymity as he wasn’t authorised to brief journalists by name.........
Washington says the US is providing refuelling tankers and surveillance flights for the Saudi operations, and there are several US troops working in the operations centre, but the US is not taking direct military action in the Gulf campaign..........
Also on Friday, Saudi and Egyptian warships deployed to Bab al-Mandab, the strategic strait off Yemen at the entrance of the Red Sea, Egyptian military officials said. The strait gives the only access to Egypt’s Suez Canal from the Arabian Sea and is a vital passage for shipping between Europe and Asia.
U.S. Boosts Aid in Saudi-Led Fight To Defeat Rebel Force in Yemen
The U.S. military is preparing to expand its aid to Saudi Arabia in its air campaign against rebel forces in Yemen by providing more intelligence, bombs and aerial refueling missions for planes carrying out airstrikes there, American officials.......
Saudi officials have asked the U.S. to provide air tankers to refuel planes taking part in bombing Houthi forces in neighboring Yemen—and for more American-made bombs to continue with the strikes, the officials said. The U.S. is preparing to provide the Saudis with more help once the requests are approved in Washington, these people said........
The Saudi appeals come as the U.S. is deepening its support for the fight by providing military planners with vital intelligence from surveillance flights to help choose targets for the airstrikes in Yemen, officials said. American military planners are using live intelligence feeds from surveillance flights over Yemen to help Saudi Arabia decide what and where to bomb, U.S. officials said. Under the plan, the U.S. would beef up its role in a new military coordination center set up with the Saudis and other countries in the region taking part in the evolving operation. The center has become the focal point for military planning and a handful of Americans are currently taking part, officials said. That number is expected to grow..........
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You should be proud.
UK 'will support Saudi-led assault on Yemeni rebels - but not engaging in combat' - Telegraph
“This is an Iranian-Saudi war playing out on my land, and as a Yemeni, I will be the one left to pick up the pieces when it is finally over.” Sarah Jamal.
Well, if you are taking your money from the Saudis, via BAE or whoever, and are involved in this sort of thing, can you be proud of yourself?
Because your skill and expertise serving them is significantly contributing to the death of many totally innocent Yemeni civilians simply caught up in it all.
Don't think you are not responsible -you are.
“This is an Iranian-Saudi war playing out on my land, and as a Yemeni, I will be the one left to pick up the pieces when it is finally over.” Sarah Jamal.
Well, if you are taking your money from the Saudis, via BAE or whoever, and are involved in this sort of thing, can you be proud of yourself?
Because your skill and expertise serving them is significantly contributing to the death of many totally innocent Yemeni civilians simply caught up in it all.
Don't think you are not responsible -you are.
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You are correct that this is going to cause some western soul searching if this escalates into something big. US and UK armaments being used etc.
It could be argued that the Brits and Americans supporting the Saudis are minimising the civilian damage.
They would be doing this anyway without shiny toys.
Being trained properly to use shiny toys minimises collateral damage.
If BAe etc were not there they would be down the Syrian barrel bombing route, and that is so much worse.
You are correct that this is going to cause some western soul searching if this escalates into something big. US and UK armaments being used etc.
It could be argued that the Brits and Americans supporting the Saudis are minimising the civilian damage.
They would be doing this anyway without shiny toys.
Being trained properly to use shiny toys minimises collateral damage.
If BAe etc were not there they would be down the Syrian barrel bombing route, and that is so much worse.
Surely innocent Yemenis were already being targeted? A few days ago a suicide bombing killed over a hundred worshippers at a Mosque.
Yemen is home to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. AQAP have been able to attack targets in the West. A failed state on the shores of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden will be very dangerous.
Worrying times.
Yemen is home to Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. AQAP have been able to attack targets in the West. A failed state on the shores of the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden will be very dangerous.
Worrying times.
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Indeed it is worrying.
Qatar being smack bang in the middle looks isolated and vulnerable. Thoughts anyone?
Qatar being smack bang in the middle looks isolated and vulnerable. Thoughts anyone?
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UK 'will support Saudi-led assault on Yemeni rebels - but not engaging in combat' - Telegraph
“This is an Iranian-Saudi war playing out on my land, and as a Yemeni, I will be the one left to pick up the pieces when it is finally over.” Sarah Jamal.
Well, if you are taking your money from the Saudis, via BAE or whoever, and are involved in this sort of thing, can you be proud of yourself?
Because your skill and expertise serving them is significantly contributing to the death of many totally innocent Yemeni civilians simply caught up in it all.
Don't think you are not responsible -you are.
“This is an Iranian-Saudi war playing out on my land, and as a Yemeni, I will be the one left to pick up the pieces when it is finally over.” Sarah Jamal.
Well, if you are taking your money from the Saudis, via BAE or whoever, and are involved in this sort of thing, can you be proud of yourself?
Because your skill and expertise serving them is significantly contributing to the death of many totally innocent Yemeni civilians simply caught up in it all.
Don't think you are not responsible -you are.
Failing that, checkout 'Sympathy' it's between 'Sh1t' and 'Syphilis'.
I did some work for BAE and if we hadn't done so then their manuals would have been in French, or Russian - they WILL have their 'toys'.
Proud? Yeah, pretty much - go figure
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Don't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite, but I presume they use the same Koran. If one side blows up a mosque, surely they're defacing copies of the Koran which usually seems to get either religion a bit hot under the collar?
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It's kinda like racism.... nonwhites can't be racist....
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Originally Posted by Ali Barber
Don't know the difference between Sunni and Shiite
Without a doubt, this split has taken place on Shi'sa and Sunni lines; with Tehran effectively controlling 4 capitals in the region, finally the GCC and AL have realised that Iranaian ambitions need to be blunted. The trick will be trying to keep the coalition together and focused on restoring the Hadi-led government in San'aa. However, the Iraninas won't take this lying down. Hisbollah will be spun up to attack Israeli interests (who will respond, predictably) undermining the will of the Sunni coalition. Erdogan, President of Turkey, has thrown his political weight behind the coalition; I'd watch your border if I were you Reccip.
Two points from me:
1) Hangarshuffle, the only way that the world will ever be at peace is if different cultures learn to accept that they are different, that no one culture is superior, and that no culture has a right to impose its values on another. I think those are sentiments with which you would agree. If you do agree with them, though, you have to accept moral relativism in all its forms... which means if the Saudis and their allies have a higher tolerance than the West does for collateral damage in the conduct of armed conflict, then there is little we can say or do about it. As the Swedes found out recently, there is no rule written in stone that the end-point of the evolution of society looks like western liberal democracy or a western viewpoint on human rights. East Asia has proved that democracy is not a prerequisite for successful capitalism, as had previously been thought, which kind of undermines the whole IMF / World Bank approach and explains why everyone's signing up to the new Chinese development bank. And as the EU and NATO have found out in Ukraine, "soft power" is not the answer either - it runs up against people who only believe in "hard power". It's a big, bad old world out there.
The message here: The West has to get over itself Sweden's feminist foreign policy has seriously annoyed Saudi Arabia
2) Bearing in mind the above, it will be interesting to see:
a) How modern air power performs when rules of engagement are, shall we say, "permissive"...
b) Which of the Gulf states can use their shiny toys to best effect
c) What political price the UK and US will pay with the GCC for refusing to directly participate in a ridiculous regional balance-of-power struggle dressed up in sectarian and tribal clothing.
With any luck, 2c) will see us kicked out of our delusion that we have enough global clout to act as policeman in the Gulf once the Obama completes the US's slow disentanglement from the region. Roll on the Iran deal and let the buggers sort it out for themselves, I say.
1) Hangarshuffle, the only way that the world will ever be at peace is if different cultures learn to accept that they are different, that no one culture is superior, and that no culture has a right to impose its values on another. I think those are sentiments with which you would agree. If you do agree with them, though, you have to accept moral relativism in all its forms... which means if the Saudis and their allies have a higher tolerance than the West does for collateral damage in the conduct of armed conflict, then there is little we can say or do about it. As the Swedes found out recently, there is no rule written in stone that the end-point of the evolution of society looks like western liberal democracy or a western viewpoint on human rights. East Asia has proved that democracy is not a prerequisite for successful capitalism, as had previously been thought, which kind of undermines the whole IMF / World Bank approach and explains why everyone's signing up to the new Chinese development bank. And as the EU and NATO have found out in Ukraine, "soft power" is not the answer either - it runs up against people who only believe in "hard power". It's a big, bad old world out there.
The message here: The West has to get over itself Sweden's feminist foreign policy has seriously annoyed Saudi Arabia
2) Bearing in mind the above, it will be interesting to see:
a) How modern air power performs when rules of engagement are, shall we say, "permissive"...
b) Which of the Gulf states can use their shiny toys to best effect
c) What political price the UK and US will pay with the GCC for refusing to directly participate in a ridiculous regional balance-of-power struggle dressed up in sectarian and tribal clothing.
With any luck, 2c) will see us kicked out of our delusion that we have enough global clout to act as policeman in the Gulf once the Obama completes the US's slow disentanglement from the region. Roll on the Iran deal and let the buggers sort it out for themselves, I say.
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Well, if we support Saudi on this, we will be on the side of those who blew up the mosques in Sanaa, ie al Qaida and more specifically IS.
We are supporting Iranian-backed Shiites in Iraq, but Sunnis in Yemen.
In Syria we are bombing Alawite Shiites and backing more moderate Sunnis.
Sunnis and Shiites throughout the region will all know that we are not really to be trusted, as we do not show our true heart with any of them.
We are supporting Iranian-backed Shiites in Iraq, but Sunnis in Yemen.
In Syria we are bombing Alawite Shiites and backing more moderate Sunnis.
Sunnis and Shiites throughout the region will all know that we are not really to be trusted, as we do not show our true heart with any of them.
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Actually on one of the other threads a while back ,there was a mind map type of thing depicting who's side who was on, and who was helping who. With these latest developments it needs to be updated.
I think in Iraqi where where helping out the Irainians are the good guys, and in Yemen they are the bad guys.
The Chinese must be sitting back p!ssing themselves laughing. Old passion fingers in the white house is like the little boy pluggin the dyke with his fingers.
Thats all well and good, how far back do we sit, the problem is actually dc/dp, change in culture across a population, both on a world scale and local groups. Are we really prepared to sit back under all circumstances? It doesn't matter what the huggy fluffies say, honor killings, the most vial things in this world when spread across a population group is culture.
I think in Iraqi where where helping out the Irainians are the good guys, and in Yemen they are the bad guys.
The Chinese must be sitting back p!ssing themselves laughing. Old passion fingers in the white house is like the little boy pluggin the dyke with his fingers.
Hangarshuffle, the only way that the world will ever be at peace is if different cultures learn to accept that they are different, that no one culture is superior, and that no culture has a right to impose its values on another.
Saudi officials have asked the U.S. to provide air tankers to refuel planes taking part in bombing Houthi forces in neighboring Yemen—and for more American-made bombs to continue with the strikes, the officials said. The U.S. is preparing to provide the Saudis with more help once the requests are approved in Washington,
No apology for this.
Think of it:
· Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
· Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
· Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
· Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
· Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
· Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
· Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
· Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
· Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
· Christians living with Jews = No Problem
· Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Think of it:
· Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
· Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
· Muslims living with Christians = Problem
· Muslims living with Jews = Problem
· Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
· Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
· Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
· Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
· MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
Regards, Den
Think of it:
· Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
· Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
· Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
· Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem
· Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
· Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
· Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
· Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
· Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
· Christians living with Jews = No Problem
· Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Think of it:
· Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
· Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
· Muslims living with Christians = Problem
· Muslims living with Jews = Problem
· Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
· Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
· Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
· Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
· MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
Regards, Den
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RUBBISH
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem - Sri Lanka and Tamils???
· Hindus living with Christians = No Problem - regular repression in E India
· Hindus living with Jews = No Problem - no jews in India
· Christians living with Shintos = No Problem - all christians killed by Japanese in 17th Century - Hiroshima
· Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem - ask the CHinese about Nanking
· Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Jews living with Atheists = No Problem really?????
· Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem -
· Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
· Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem - about 1 million dead in 1947
· Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Christians living with Jews = No Problem - Auschwitz
· Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem - try 1962
and no-one likes the Israelis....................
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem - Sri Lanka and Tamils???
· Hindus living with Christians = No Problem - regular repression in E India
· Hindus living with Jews = No Problem - no jews in India
· Christians living with Shintos = No Problem - all christians killed by Japanese in 17th Century - Hiroshima
· Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem - ask the CHinese about Nanking
· Confusians living with Baha'is = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Jews living with Atheists = No Problem really?????
· Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem -
· Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
· Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem - about 1 million dead in 1947
· Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem - who the hell are Bahia's??
· Christians living with Jews = No Problem - Auschwitz
· Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
· Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
· Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
· Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
· Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem - try 1962
and no-one likes the Israelis....................
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
No Jews in India?
History of the Jews in India
Judaism was one of the first foreign religions to arrive in India in recorded history.[3] Indian Jews are a religious minority of India, but unlike many parts of the world, have historically lived in India without any instances of antisemitism from the local majority.........
Christianity in Japan
After checking just two, I don't think I'll bother checking the rest of your spurious claims.
History of the Jews in India
Judaism was one of the first foreign religions to arrive in India in recorded history.[3] Indian Jews are a religious minority of India, but unlike many parts of the world, have historically lived in India without any instances of antisemitism from the local majority.........
Christianity in Japan
After checking just two, I don't think I'll bother checking the rest of your spurious claims.
