On a light note... Anyone done 1000mph?
Too bad they weren't fitted with the engines from the F-111F...
GK121, u r so right.
We evidently had the option, in the day (1969-71, I believe) because of the delivery delays, to change our F-111C order to the F-111F.
Unfortunately, due to Govt bureaucracy (and possibly for fear of further price increases), this was not taken up.
Big shame. We could have avoided our orphan AUP (based largely on F-111A/E AMP) and run with the F-111F Pacer Strike upgrade in 1995. 25k of poke per side, and the aircraft could easily have pressed on beyond 2010 (our withdrawal date). BTW, I think F-111F airtests went to M2.5.
GK121, u r so right.
We evidently had the option, in the day (1969-71, I believe) because of the delivery delays, to change our F-111C order to the F-111F.
Unfortunately, due to Govt bureaucracy (and possibly for fear of further price increases), this was not taken up.
Big shame. We could have avoided our orphan AUP (based largely on F-111A/E AMP) and run with the F-111F Pacer Strike upgrade in 1995. 25k of poke per side, and the aircraft could easily have pressed on beyond 2010 (our withdrawal date). BTW, I think F-111F airtests went to M2.5.
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After what seemed like an eternity, it tailslid, then oh-so-gently pitched forward in a lovely (& completely unintended) hammerhead/ Su-27 "Cobra"-stylee manoeuver.
Fuel came out of the intakes in big clouds of vapour. I was pretty sure that wasn't supposed to happen.
.... but the thing kept flying & the engines kept turning. As the airspeed increased, presently there were enough Bernoullis going over enough control surfaces that the Lift :
Fuel came out of the intakes in big clouds of vapour. I was pretty sure that wasn't supposed to happen.
.... but the thing kept flying & the engines kept turning. As the airspeed increased, presently there were enough Bernoullis going over enough control surfaces that the Lift :
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Faster than the Sun
A very worthwhile read is the book with the above name by Peter Twiss
Fairey Delta FD 2.......especially the problems they had of proving to the US that they had actually achieved it.......
Fairey Delta FD 2.......especially the problems they had of proving to the US that they had actually achieved it.......
I second the 1000 mph+ with a glass of Dom Perignon in my hand. The air correspondent for the Economist was in the next seat (as a reward for his magazine's diligent efforts to get the 
scrapped) and he remarked that it was better than working for a living. I toddled into our elegant Sarfoftheriver HQ at 1 pm, fresh as a newly minted daisy, and announced that I had had breakfast in Singapore.
On topic: I recall reading an immediately post-GW1 account of an F-111F claiming M=1.4 on egress from an objective whose residents were highly miffed and heavily armed.
scrapped) and he remarked that it was better than working for a living. I toddled into our elegant Sarfoftheriver HQ at 1 pm, fresh as a newly minted daisy, and announced that I had had breakfast in Singapore. On topic: I recall reading an immediately post-GW1 account of an F-111F claiming M=1.4 on egress from an objective whose residents were highly miffed and heavily armed.
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Official max chat on a F-4 at less than 200 ft 902 MPH, Operation Sageburner by a USN YF4H-1 in 1961.
Official FAI World Record at low altitude is 988.26 MPH by a civilian owned and highly modified F-104 in 1976, though the FAI have disbanded the class of record for turbojets since then. The F-104 in question did do an earlier record attempt where it is reckoned that it reached 1010 MPH, but the timing equipment failed so the record didn't stand.
Official max chat on a F-4 at less than 200 ft 902 MPH, Operation Sageburner by a USN YF4H-1 in 1961.
Official FAI World Record at low altitude is 988.26 MPH by a civilian owned and highly modified F-104 in 1976, though the FAI have disbanded the class of record for turbojets since then. The F-104 in question did do an earlier record attempt where it is reckoned that it reached 1010 MPH, but the timing equipment failed so the record didn't stand.
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Huh? Let's say M0.886 at FL390 and ISA+30. I make that a TAS of 542 knots, or 624 mph. So to crack 1000 mph groundspeed, you'd need a tailwind component of 327 knots, bluntie old chap.....
But most VC10 pilots have flown the pond (west to east) with a ground speed of well over 1000 mph... often 1000 kts
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F-15C SAC page 4: max speed 35,000' 1,309 knots; 45,000' 1,340 knots
with CFTs: max speed 35,000' 1,124 knots; 45,000' 1,102 knots
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-1...ruary_1992.pdf
F-14A SAC page 4: max speed S/L 794 knots; 35,000' 1,170 knots.
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-1...April_1977.pdf
with CFTs: max speed 35,000' 1,124 knots; 45,000' 1,102 knots
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-1...ruary_1992.pdf
F-14A SAC page 4: max speed S/L 794 knots; 35,000' 1,170 knots.
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-1...April_1977.pdf
TO 1F-15C-1 15 Jan 1982 Page 5-6 "Airspeed Limitation and Afterburner Operating Envelope.
NATOPS Flight Manual Navy Model F-14A Aircraft, 15 May 1995 page 4-7 Maximum Allowable Airspeeds.
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So far then, the 1000mph IAS seems to be unofficially claimed by some Tonka F3 mates, all outside RTS? Seems there is not an IAS record classification for aircraft? 
Clean jets are fun , but wasn't the J79 powered F4 actually able to go faster than most with external tanks on in the real world?
OAP
Clean jets are fun , but wasn't the J79 powered F4 actually able to go faster than most with external tanks on in the real world?
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Or in English 783 kts
The FAI data sheet for the low level record in actually done in KPH.
Fai Record File
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So what's the fastest groundspeed for a VC10? I understand it was just about the fastest subsonic airliner.
I crossed the pond 2 weeks ago in a 764 with some serious tailwind, ground speed was over 700mph according to the seatback liar thing.
It was a long trip back home last week against that tailwind!
I crossed the pond 2 weeks ago in a 764 with some serious tailwind, ground speed was over 700mph according to the seatback liar thing.
It was a long trip back home last week against that tailwind!
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1000mph - easy - I did it sitting in style, glass of champagne in hand, decent book to read, nice hostie.............
thank God the employer was paying...............................
have we REALLY already forgotten about Concorde???
thank God the employer was paying...............................
have we REALLY already forgotten about Concorde???
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When you look at what the F3 could do with only 16,000 ish thrust, it does very well.
Having spent some time rebuilding them and speaking to Rolls Royce, it would have been very easy to upgrade that to 18,000 at least. We did not buy that.
We bought more time on wing.
A better LP comp would have boosted dry power like the German MK 105 motors.
Having spent some time rebuilding them and speaking to Rolls Royce, it would have been very easy to upgrade that to 18,000 at least. We did not buy that.
We bought more time on wing.
A better LP comp would have boosted dry power like the German MK 105 motors.
Flight of the Pheonix.
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Yes, BB was indeed rumoured to have been involved as you say.
Sadly, for the Zoom Merchant it wasn't such a happy ending as he was in a significant position of responsibility at the time...
I'm guessing that the champagne riders were nowhere near Mother Earth when they got their 1000mph tick.
LJ
Leon, I gather that Bastard Bill tried to throw the book at the 'zoom merchant' to whom you refer, for exceeding the Release To Service limitations......
Until someone happened to mention the Lightning - and whether 'reheat rotations' were in the R to S. BB allegedly got the message and perhaps coincidentally the witch hunting stopped shortly afterwards, with a comment "Just don't do it again!".
All the above is anecdotal, I hasten to add.
Until someone happened to mention the Lightning - and whether 'reheat rotations' were in the R to S. BB allegedly got the message and perhaps coincidentally the witch hunting stopped shortly afterwards, with a comment "Just don't do it again!".
All the above is anecdotal, I hasten to add.
Sadly, for the Zoom Merchant it wasn't such a happy ending as he was in a significant position of responsibility at the time...
I'm guessing that the champagne riders were nowhere near Mother Earth when they got their 1000mph tick.
LJ
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OK465, USAF did a trial, '60s I guess, to see the potential for incapacitating of very high speed pass over troops in the open with the Thud.
Apparently a low pass at 6 feet would do the buzz. I think at 6 feet there could have been lots of thuds if the troops hadn't ducked. Not so effective against Viet G ing.
Apparently a low pass at 6 feet would do the buzz. I think at 6 feet there could have been lots of thuds if the troops hadn't ducked. Not so effective against Viet G ing.