St Georges chapel - RAF Biggin Hill
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Please excuse comments from a civvy but CAS doesn't strike me as a man who lacks either courage or integrity.
Far from it:
As a Wg Cdr, he stood his ground re the BOI findings concerning the Mull of Kintyre - a stance which was vindicated years later when the Review concluded that the reasoning of AOC No1 Group and AOC-in-C Strike Command, who had over-ruled him, was flawed.
And he clearly doesn't try to gain personal advantage by ingratiating himself with politicians:
RAF chief says politicians 'make it up as they go along' - Telegraph
Apologies for the drift but the criticism of Andy Pulford is unfounded and unfair.
Why does the present Chief of the Air Staff get off his backside, show some courage & fight this proposal.
O dear, he is far more interested in his pension & chance of a seat in the Huse of Lords, shame on you.
O dear, he is far more interested in his pension & chance of a seat in the Huse of Lords, shame on you.
Far from it:
As a Wg Cdr, he stood his ground re the BOI findings concerning the Mull of Kintyre - a stance which was vindicated years later when the Review concluded that the reasoning of AOC No1 Group and AOC-in-C Strike Command, who had over-ruled him, was flawed.
And he clearly doesn't try to gain personal advantage by ingratiating himself with politicians:
RAF chief says politicians 'make it up as they go along' - Telegraph
Apologies for the drift but the criticism of Andy Pulford is unfounded and unfair.
Last edited by Flying Lawyer; 6th Jan 2015 at 04:55. Reason: Typos corrected
Just to drift off topic slightly for a second. Have a look at BBC News - First day 'is crucial for success of e-petitions'
It would appear that this e-petition is in the top 0.7% of e-petitions of all time!
Just sayin'
The B Word
16,052 signatures and climbing...
It would appear that this e-petition is in the top 0.7% of e-petitions of all time!
Just sayin'
The B Word
16,052 signatures and climbing...
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Signatures are no good, its hard cash the place needs.
As someone said on the Guardian newspapers online letters, Biggin Hill gets 25000 visitors then charge them £2 a pop to visit the chapel, and explain what its for (upkeep)..... there's your money.
Open a "friends of the chapel" organization and beg and plead.....
MOD isn't a history ministry, nor an heritage guardian. Is it really expected to pay for this upkeep?
What would you all rather have anyway...the ""fifth best funded armed force in the world", or another publically funded war memorial......hard choices indeed etc.
Its sort of shoots down Cameron and his recent help for heroes wristband wearing, and this sort of crass publicity exposes him and them for what he is, in a way.
And I would never think any less of the brave men who did the fighting anyway, memorial or not.
As someone said on the Guardian newspapers online letters, Biggin Hill gets 25000 visitors then charge them £2 a pop to visit the chapel, and explain what its for (upkeep)..... there's your money.
Open a "friends of the chapel" organization and beg and plead.....
MOD isn't a history ministry, nor an heritage guardian. Is it really expected to pay for this upkeep?
What would you all rather have anyway...the ""fifth best funded armed force in the world", or another publically funded war memorial......hard choices indeed etc.
Its sort of shoots down Cameron and his recent help for heroes wristband wearing, and this sort of crass publicity exposes him and them for what he is, in a way.
And I would never think any less of the brave men who did the fighting anyway, memorial or not.
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Not knocking the petition Leon.....I think its going like a bomb. Simply commenting that there's a lot of folk out there who couldn't give a tarts fart, which is rather sad.
Re VSO's standing up and being counted, I, like FL dont think they lack courage and integrity, and hope that when they all reassemble they will make the appropriate noises to the shameless pollies and CS's.
Re VSO's standing up and being counted, I, like FL dont think they lack courage and integrity, and hope that when they all reassemble they will make the appropriate noises to the shameless pollies and CS's.
Just looked at a Minister's Twitter feed stating on several occasions "We are working to keep it [the Chapel] open" - https://mobile.twitter.com/anna_soubrymp
Thus:
A. It would be reasonable to assume there is a current plan to close it, then, Minister?
B. It would be reasonable to assume that the Minister was aware of the plan to close it by her department, then?
Or am I reading too much into the Minister's words...
iRaven
PS. She would appear to be content for public funds to be spent, after consultation, on her local Chapel to keep it "special" as well! http://www.annasoubry.org.uk/campaig...chapel-special
Thus:
A. It would be reasonable to assume there is a current plan to close it, then, Minister?
B. It would be reasonable to assume that the Minister was aware of the plan to close it by her department, then?
Or am I reading too much into the Minister's words...
iRaven
PS. She would appear to be content for public funds to be spent, after consultation, on her local Chapel to keep it "special" as well! http://www.annasoubry.org.uk/campaig...chapel-special
Even in the Grauniad now!
Battle of Britain memorial chapel under threat as MoD pulls funding | UK news | The Guardian
Since the Grauniad doesn't even have a Defence section,one presumes this is just an opportunity to embarrass the Government. Still, no such thing as bad publicity...
An MoD spokesman said: “This chapel is an integral part of our national heritage and the minister for defence personnel, welfare and veterans, Anna Soubry, is already working to find a replacement source of funding. “In order to ensure that the defence budget is spent in the most appropriate way, the MoD will look to relinquish ownership of St George’s Chapel by March 2016. However, we remain committed to its preservation.”
So you've announced you wish to relinquish it, don't have a plan in place, but "remain committed"....
This is either a very stupid way to go about it, or dishonest. Seems to be the modus operandi these days.
Battle of Britain memorial chapel under threat as MoD pulls funding | UK news | The Guardian
Since the Grauniad doesn't even have a Defence section,one presumes this is just an opportunity to embarrass the Government. Still, no such thing as bad publicity...
An MoD spokesman said: “This chapel is an integral part of our national heritage and the minister for defence personnel, welfare and veterans, Anna Soubry, is already working to find a replacement source of funding. “In order to ensure that the defence budget is spent in the most appropriate way, the MoD will look to relinquish ownership of St George’s Chapel by March 2016. However, we remain committed to its preservation.”
So you've announced you wish to relinquish it, don't have a plan in place, but "remain committed"....
This is either a very stupid way to go about it, or dishonest. Seems to be the modus operandi these days.
[QUOTE]An MoD spokesman said: “This chapel is an integral part of our national heritage and the minister for defence personnel, welfare and veterans, Anna Soubry, is already working to find a replacement source of funding. “In order to ensure that the defence budget is spent in the most appropriate way, the MoD will look to relinquish ownership of St George’s Chapel by March 2016. However, we remain committed to its preservation.”
So you've announced you wish to relinquish it, don't have a plan in place, but "remain committed"....
This is either a very stupid way to go about it, or dishonest. Seems to be the modus operandi these days.[/QUOT]
F3WMB: maybe the incompetent fools hoped to slip it out during the Christmas stand down hoping nobody would notice, unlucky for them they were rumbled. As it's a church maybe all the religious denominations could throw a few pounds in each to contribute to its upkeep.
Who supports St Clement Danes, the Cof E?
So you've announced you wish to relinquish it, don't have a plan in place, but "remain committed"....
This is either a very stupid way to go about it, or dishonest. Seems to be the modus operandi these days.[/QUOT]
F3WMB: maybe the incompetent fools hoped to slip it out during the Christmas stand down hoping nobody would notice, unlucky for them they were rumbled. As it's a church maybe all the religious denominations could throw a few pounds in each to contribute to its upkeep.
Who supports St Clement Danes, the Cof E?
No idea if it receives MoD funds directly, but I doubt it.
I note they are currently recruiting Deputy Vergers on zero-hours contracts - how Christian!
Seems a bit at odds with..
I note they are currently recruiting Deputy Vergers on zero-hours contracts - how Christian!
Seems a bit at odds with..
The archbishop of York, John Sentamu, has condemned the low wages of millions of Britons as a "national scandal", saying businesses have ignored a moral duty to ensure that all employees are paid enough to live on.
He argues that it is both morally and economically wrong for government to give tacit approval to an approach that lands the state with a huge bill to top up the incomes of the lowest earners.
He argues that it is both morally and economically wrong for government to give tacit approval to an approach that lands the state with a huge bill to top up the incomes of the lowest earners.
Currently slightly less popular on that Turkish feed than
but doing better than
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Anyone else noted who Biggin's local MP is? It is the kid brother of Boris; Jo Johnson MP. I wonder if the big man, as Mayor of London, would be encouraged to chip in?
iRaven
iRaven
By the way, the Express is where that Turkish article came from:
Cherished Battle of Britain memorial could close after Government axes its funding | UK | News | Daily Express
So with the Mail, Express, BBC, ITV, Guardian, Telegraph all running it, then it isn't surprising that the signatories now total 17,000+
iRaven
Fair enough reply Flying Lawyer & I certainly accept, understand & agree with your comments re the Mull of Kintyre accident. I do consider the UK military have been let down & treated quite badly by successive Governments for a number of years. In the old days even senior officers had to tow the line rather, but if they don't speak up for the Armed Services & what they stand for presently, the polititions certainly won't. I would like to think also, that words might have been exchanged behind closed doors at a high level on this particular matter.